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Is it safe to move Bitcoin around to then convert to Vertcoin?

After the BTC/BTG fork I understand that I should get equivalent BTG for BTC I hold. I had a little BTC in Blockchain.info (~£28) and some free intro on Coinbase (~£7).
I'm new to crypto so I'm reading as much as possible. I saw that there is an issue with Replay Protection and thus a problem with sending BTC or BTG where you could effectively send the other and lose it on the Blockchain?
I bought £200 of VTC (minus fees) by buying LTC on Coinbase, sending it to my Coinomi Wallet and then Shapeshifting to VTC. My VTC is currently sitting at about £235 equivalent, so I've potentially recovered all the buying/sending/conversion fees and I'm £35 green.
I think I may as well get my BTC changed to VTC, but is there a risk if I send my BTC from Blockchain and Cinbase to my Coinomi Wallet in order to Shapeshift to VTC?
Sorry for the long post, but just looking for advice so I don't do something silly. Any BTG probably doesn't have much value when you consider the BTC is only about £33 worth, but you never know eh?
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I’ve finally accepted that I am a failure at crypto trading.

It seems like the only time I know how to hold is when my coins are losing value, and the only time I can sell is when the coin is about to magically start pumping. I feel like I got into crypto in the worst way. I got lucky.
Back in October I had been holding a small amount of bitcoin that I bought around 5k usd when the whole China fiasco happened. At that point in time I was up about 35% in a few months. It was about that time that I began searching for a good altcoin to invest in.
I found vertcoin when it was about $1.
From what I read about vertcoin it seemed to be in a prime position for growth. When it reached about $1.50 I decided to jump aboard, because what the heck. My bitcoin wasn’t making near the gains that vertcoin was showing. So I decided to use shapeshift to convert all my bitcoin into vertcoin (I now know this was stupid but I got lucky.)
Not even an hour later Vertcoin began its run up to about $5, and I was on cloud 9. I was literally pacing around my room trying to figure out if I was dreaming or not. I began fantasizing about the end of my minimum wage job and being able to move out of my moms place, (im 25 so it’s a bit embarrassing).
This is the point where I became quite delusional.
I became absolutely obsessed with vertcoin, I was telling everyone I knew about it. I ordered Vertcoin business cards from vistaprint to hand out, I stopped almost all of my hobbies in favour of watching Vertcoin move on bittrex, and I relentlessly patrolled the Vertcoin reddit forums and twitter. I kept coming across posts about vertcoin being “a better litecoin” and how it should be valued in proportion to litecoin “soon”.
After vertcoin had peaked around $5, it spent the next while correcting and consolidating but at this point it I was already addicted to the rush of making money without doing anything. It wasn’t coming in fast enough. I noticed that litecoin was extremely stable in price around this time, and vertcoin kept losing value. So I figured: if I trade some vtc for ltc I could trade back for more vtc if it keeps falling, which seemed likely. Sure enough, it kept falling after I made the trade. I kept checking shapeshift to see how many coins I would profit, and as soon as it showed signs of dipping back down, I locked in my profits. I made about 30 vertcoins so easily! I felt like a trading god.
This is when I got cocky.
Every single day after that I was on shapeshift with my ledger nano s on my lap and 4-5 bittrex windows open at any given time. I made a few more decent trades, netting 5 vtc here, 7 vtc there. It seemed too good to be true.
It was.
Right around that time is when I discovered Komodo. It seemed to be a godsend to the crypto world with barterDEX being developed as a decentralized exchange with peer to peer atomic swaps, essentially cutting out the middleman (exchange fees). Even better: it was still cheaper than vertcoin.
I waited awhile until I saw Komodo moving up with some momentum, and I made the trade. ~125 vtc for ~250 kmd. This is when everything went sour. Komodo stopped its run for a consolidation phase, and vertcoin began to pump HARD. I felt the panic coursing through my veins, my palms began to sweat and shake, I could hardly enter my ledger PIN properly. I watched in horror as shapeshift continued to offer me less and less vertcoin than I had given them... I kept thinking don’t panic, it will come back... but it didn’t. I had to act now. I traded back at a loss. I was in disbelief. Almost all of the Vertcoin I had gained in my previous trades was gone. Weeks and weeks of studying charts and waiting games completely wasted. After giving myself shit, I vowed to only hold coins from then on.
This would not be the case.
At this point I still had my minimum wage job, and I was putting FULL paychecks into vertcoin bi-weekly (very fucking stupid). It didn’t take long, soon I had more money in crypto than I had in fiat... (never do this).
As an amateur trader, I completely neglected the fact that I was pushing my average buy-in up and up with each purchase. I thought the sky was the limit for vertcoin. People were making $20-$30 price predictions all over the internet, and key technical advancements were supposedly right around the corner. It just HAD to fly.
Now there was a point around $10 per vertcoin that I considered converting to bitcoin to sell back to fiat because I had never had this much money before, it just wasn’t in a very spendable form. I decided against it (A decision I would regret shortly after).
Vertcoin began to melt away in value, and I was so deluded that couldn’t understand why. I decided I would try the old shapeshift switcheroo again. I fucked up badly because I didn’t even do any form of analysis on the coin I traded to. I just knew vertcoin was going down and this other coin was going up.
Of course after the trade, it reversed. Vertcoin went back up, and the other started to fall. I lost 16% of my vertcoins that day because of panic and ignorance.
I would continue to make about 4 bad trades for every 1 good trade but I was still so irrational that I kept thinking: one of these times I’ll hit the jackpot on a trade and all of this will be worth it.
Well, as it were, my luck had run out.
I continued to lose money until I was right back where I started. With my initial investment.
Since then, I’ve been struggling with depression and learned helplessness, anger issues and I still feel the creeping urge to fire up the computer and make another trade. It feels like hell, but I know it is insanity. I have an amazing life full of people that love me and I have been utterly neglecting them for invisible coins.
I used to practice meditation and I lived my life in quite a zen-like state for years. Crypto destroyed this for me. I used to love programming in python, but I’ve been away from it so long that I’ve lost a lot of my skill. Every time I try to do some coding, I just end up watching crypto charts...
I’ve been getting back into meditation and picking up my old hobbies again but I’ve never felt the same since crypto has fucked with my head. I’m considering locking away my ledger for a few years but the thought of it seems like an impossibly difficult task.
I suppose the only silver lining to this story is that I haven’t actually lost any money, I just lost all my gains by trading foolishly.
This is my story and I hope you can learn something from it, thanks for reading.
TL;DR: I lost all my gains after some beginner’s luck made me get cocky and crypto obsessed. I made the mistake of continuing to day-trade instead of just holding my coins.
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10 obscure altcoins that merit a closer look by investors, with descriptions and reasoning for each

Disclaimer: I own varying small amounts of the currencies listed below, and as such it’s in my interest to see them gain in popularity. Keeping that in mind, you should examine these with a critical eye and decide for yourself whether they are good investments for you. If you disagree with my rationale for liking a particular currency, please say so and include your reasons. Likewise, if you think there are other obscure currencies I haven’t mentioned that also deserve consideration, please post them here. Please, no tokens in this discussion thread – currencies only.
At some point I got bored with hodling ether, and decided to dig deeper into altcoins in hopes of finding greater returns. My thinking is that if I can find a few promising projects that are on the verge of growth – not necessarily world domination, but just growth – and catch them early enough, I stand a greater chance of finding one that is going to grow 2x, 10x, or more. I figured, what the hell, I’ll put $10 on a bunch of long shots. If one fails then I lose $10, but if it succeeds and the price goes from $0.002 to $0.12 then I will achieve a 60x return on my initial investment.
With that goal in mind, over the past week I took a deep dive into the 800+ currencies that are ranked by market cap at http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/all/ . I ignored the top 25 and kept digging deeper, mostly looking at those ranked 150 and higher. In evaluating each currency I used their market cap rank as a proxy for popularity. My thinking is that the list is not necessarily ordered correctly according to each project’s potential (because market knowledge isn't perfect). There are dead projects in the top 100 and more promising ones in the mid-300’s. I am looking to help reorder the list by investing in coins that are at, for example, rank 287 but deserve to be at 137 based on their fundamentals.
None of the currencies I found are on the verge of becoming the next Ethereum-killer. Again, I’m not looking for coins that will achieve world domination. I’m just looking for ones that deserve to be higher in the rankings than they are, so I can invest in them very early before others start to recognize their potential. They should have at least one fundamental quality that gives them a glimmer of promise for growth.
With all that out of the way, here are some of the obscure currencies I came to like, listed in order of their current market cap ranking (i.e. from least to most obscure):
GULDEN (currently #77)
Site: https://gulden.com/
Profile: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/gulden/
Reason: Gulden is a project based in the Netherlands that is focusing on user experience with a great level of attention to detail (including the intial sync time and onboarding experience). They are trying to make their apps very intuitive and easy for the average user. They have a large concentration of users in the Netherlands, dozens of Dutch merchants who already accept the currency, a strategic relationship with payment processor Nocks.co, and a program to airdrop starter currency to all Dutch citizens. They are starting to catch on in neighboring countries, and given their ease of use it’s possible they could end up becoming the WhatsApp of money transfer in Western Europe.
All of those things are promising but not earth-shattering by themselves. Here’s another reason I’m bullish on Gulden: they are one of only a handful of currencies that can be exchanged directly for fiat. One of the reasons that Bitcoin is so big is that it is the main on-ramp to the crypto world for most people. Gulden makes it easy too - you can purchase it from their home page using Euros. If Bitcoin becomes difficult to use around August 1, or if exchanges continue to be slow at verifying new accounts, I can see Gulden catching on among Europeans as a fast, easy way to initially convert fiat to crypto form.
VERTCOIN (currently #109)
Site: http://vertcoin.org/
Profile: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/vertcoin/
Reason: Like many currencies, Vertcoin is a direct fork of Bitcoin. The Vertcoin founders wanted to make it ASIC-resistant so it would remain more decentralized. I first discovered it in 2014 and was impressed by it then. Since then, it has been chugging along reliably, and the dev team has added stealth addresses, SegWit, and Lightning network. It’s arguably a better Bitcoin than Bitcoin at this point. I think of it as part of a family that consists of BTC, LTC, and VTC. Vertcoin is the lesser known cousin, but I think it’s about to become much more visible because cross-chain atomic swaps with Litecoin will soon be possible. The code is already done on the Vertcoin side and at this point is just waiting on Litecoin to reach that step in their roadmap. Surely with all these things going for it, Vertcoin will end up in the top 100.
FEATHERCOIN (currently #134)
Site: http://feathercoin.com/
Profile: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/feathercoin/
Reason: Another Bitcoin fork that uses a different algorithm. Has a decent infrastructure around it, and an active user base. Seems to have longevity as it’s been around since 2013. I can’t speak to whether the algorithm changes offer any long-term advantages over Bitcoin. All in all it seemed solid enough to drop $10 on. I’ll park it and check back in a few years.
RISE (currently #193)
Site: https://rise.vision/
Profile: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/rise/
Reason: Rise was launched in 2016 to much fanfare, with promise of GUI-based Dapp development tools (i.e. drag & drop dapps for end users) and well-documented SDKs for all of the popular programming languages (Ruby, Node, Python, etc.) plus a bunch of other goodies. It didn’t come to fruition. From what I can gather, there are accusations and rumors that someone scammed the project out of ICO funds and disappeared. In recent months, the project has been completely rebooted by some of the original community. It has adopted a new hybrid Ark-Shift blockchain, and is in the process of swapping over to that with the help of the Bittrex exchange. They’re also busy checking in SDKs to Github, and bringing social media back online. Is it going to be the next Ethereum killer? Who knows, but it definitely seems like it’s destined for a higher ranking than #193, and it definitely seems like a steal given the current low market cap and price. Like, the upside potential seems enormous on this if they see things through with the reboot. I’ve not bet the farm on Rise, but I’ve definitely put a couple extra cows on it compared to the other ones in this list.
ARTBYTE (currently #207)
Site: http://www.artbyte.me/
Profile: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/applebyte/
Reason: This is yet another currency that is designed for a specific market – in this case, the art world. I generally don’t see a future for sector-specific currencies as they offer no advantages over using a general-purpose currency. What caught my eye about this one is that the team’s social media game is on point. They are tirelessly reaching out to artists to promote the currency and build name recognition. I admire their tenacity and think it could result in them gaining a toehold and eventually pivoting to some specific use within the art world. Total long shot, but I figure it doesn’t hurt to put $10 on it and check back in 10 years to see if it’s still around.
MYRIAD (currently #220)
Site: http://myriadcoin.org
Profile: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/myriad/
Reason: Multi-algorithm coin with good visual branding and an active community around it. I am not in love with its fundamentals and don’t see it catching on in a huge way, but just the fact that the project is alive makes it deserving of a higher rank than #220 IMHO. There are far worse coins than this one in the top 200. So, I’m betting here on slight growth rather than world domination.
HUSH (currently #235)
Site: https://myhush.org/
Profile: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/hush/
Reason: Hush is a private implementation of the "Zerocash" protocol, and was forked from Zcash in spring 2017 by one of the contributors to that project. It has a decent web site, a small and dedicated team that seems technically competent, plenty of recent Github activity, and a relatively low current market cap. I’m betting that Hush will rise from #235 to somewhere in the mid-100s.
AUDIOCOIN (currently #239)
Site: http://www.audiocoin.eu/
Profile: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/audiocoin/
Reason: This team has at least made an attempt at developing a coherent business model. I’m not real convinced at this point that it’s viable, but they seem passionate about it and with some time may be able to refine it. I can see it someday being a backbone marketplace for musicians and listeners, based on audio streaming credits. Given that the price is so low, I’ll buy a tiny bit and check back in 10 years.
SMARTCOIN (currently #355)
Site: http://smartcoin.cc/
Profile: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/smartcoin/
Reason: Seems like a solid, functional coin with decent branding, infrastructure, and user base – at least, much moreso than other coins in the mid-350’s. I’m betting that it will eventually rise to the low 200’s.
SLIMCOIN (currently #862)
Site: http://slimco.in/
Profile: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/slimcoin/
Reason: Slimcoin is another project that was left for dead but recently revived. It uses a technique called Proof-of-Burn (PoB) and is designed for energy efficiency and use on small devices. This currency is easily more viable than at least 600 of the other defunct joke currencies above it in the list. I placed a bet that this one will rise from rank #862 to somewhere in the 200’s or 300’s.
Again, if you think I’m full of shit on these picks, please post below. If I’m making a bad investment on any of these, I definitely want to know about it. Similarly, if there are any other dark horse coins you think people should know about, list ‘em below and make sure to include reasons – not just the name of the coin.
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I think I know why we crashed.

I'll keep it short and simple: USD Pairings.
Long and complicated:
Think of how you have been buying your favorite altcoins these past few years. You had to either purchase BTC on coinbase or other exchanges that offered a USD/BTC paring or fight with an annoying scammy exchange that just happened to offer a usd pairing for one coin (Bitgrail XRB)
Now usually when bitcoin goes up or down...the entire market follows as people convert it back to btc and USD respectively. We all understand this.
Now we recently heard competition from Robinhood offering USD pairings https://crypto.robinhood.com/
This prompted Bittrex to offer USD pairings as wel: https://dowbit.com/bittrex-usd-trading/
What does the USD pairing offer if used on every exchange for your favorite coin? It takes away the power Bitcoin has as our gateway to altcoins. When investors hear that bitcoin won't be the only way to purchase altcoins...they see bitcoin losing steam. Why would anyone still buy bitcoin if it has lost it's biggest advantage over every coin? (BTC ONLY PAIRS)
I personally welcome USD pairings, this way when I want to buy my favorite altcoin technology I won't have to jump through hoops and pay ridiculous fees hopping exchanges. An example I myself have been looking at are at Vertbase (https://www.vertbase.com/) and Vertpig (https://www.vertpig.com/) These exchanges plan to offer Vertcoin as a straight USD/VTC & GBP/VTC pairing respectively.
This just simply means we won't be dependent on Bitcoin to buy our coins. And thus Bitcoin is losing its power. Investors saw this and realized they can't depend on fluctuations anymore.
After reading this, it's all up to you guys. I don't want this to be FUD or seen as FUD. It's a step in the right direction.
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Lightning Network Will Likely Fail Due To Several Possible Reasons

ECONOMIC CASE IS ABSENT FOR MANY TRANSACTIONS
The median Bitcoin (BTC) fee is $14.41 currently. This has gone parabolic in the past few days. So, let’s use a number before this parabolic rise, which was $3.80. Using this number, opening and closing a Lightning Network (LN) channel means that you will pay $7.60 in fees. Most likely, the fee will be much higher for two reasons:
  1. BTC fees have been trending higher all year and will be higher by the time LN is ready
  2. When you are in the shoe store or restaurant, you will likely pay a higher fee so that you are not waiting there for one or more hours for confirmation.
Let’s say hypothetically that Visa or Paypal charges $1 per transaction. This means that Alice and Carol would need to do 8 or more LN transactions, otherwise it would be cheaper to use Visa or Paypal.
But it gets worse. Visa doesn’t charge the customer. To you, Visa and Cash are free. You would have no economic incentive to use BTC and LN.
Also, Visa does not charge $1 per transaction. They charge 3%, which is 60 cents on a $20 widget. Let’s say that merchants discount their widgets by 60 cents for non-Visa purchases, to pass the savings onto the customer. Nevertheless, no one is going to use BTC and LN to buy the widget unless 2 things happen:
  1. they buy more than 13 widgets from the same store ($7.60 divided by 60 cents)
  2. they know ahead of time that they will do this with that same store
This means that if you’re traveling, or want to tip content producers on the internet, you will likely not use BTC and LN. If you and your spouse want to try out a new restaurant, you will not use BTC and LN. If you buy shoes, you will not use BTC and LN.
ROAD BLOCKS FROM INSUFFICIENT FUNDS
Some argue that you do not need to open a channel to everyone, if there’s a route to that merchant. This article explains that if LN is a like a distributed mesh network, then another problem exists:
"third party needs to possess the necessary capital to process the transaction. If Alice and Bob do not have an open channel, and Alice wants to send Bob .5 BTC, they'll both need to be connected to a third party (or a series of 3rd parties). Say if Charles (the third party) only possesses .4 BTC in his respective payment channels with the other users, the transaction will not be able to go through that route. The longer the route, the more likely that a third party does not possess the requisite amount of BTC, thereby making it a useless connection.”
CENTRALIZATION
According to this visualization of LN on testnet, LN will be centralized around major hubs. It might be even more centralized than this visualization if the following are true:
  1. Users will want to connect to large hubs to minimize the number of times they need to open/close channels, which incur fees
  2. LN’s security and usability relies on 100% uptime of relaying parties
  3. Only large hubs with a lot of liquidity will be able to make money
  4. Hubs or intermediary nodes will need to be licensed as money transmitters, centralizing LN to exchanges and banks as large hubs
What will the impact be on censorship-resistance, trust-less and permission-less?
NEED TO BE LICENSED AS MONEY TRANSMITTER
Advocates for LN seem to talk a lot about the technology, but ignore the legalities.
FinCEN defines money transmitters. LN hubs and intermediary nodes seem to satisfy this definition.
Application of FinCEN's Regulations to Persons Administering, Exchanging, or Using Virtual Currencies
“…applicability of the regulations … to persons creating, obtaining, distributing, exchanging, accepting, or transmitting virtual currencies.”
“…an administrator or exchanger is an MSB under FinCEN's regulations, specifically, a money transmitter…”
"An administrator or exchanger that (1) accepts and transmits a convertible virtual currency or (2) buys or sells convertible virtual currency for any reason is a money transmitter under FinCEN's regulations…”
"FinCEN's regulations define the term "money transmitter" as a person that provides money transmission services, or any other person engaged in the transfer of funds. The term "money transmission services" means "the acceptance of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency from one person and the transmission of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency to another location or person by any means.””
"The definition of a money transmitter does not differentiate between real currencies and convertible virtual currencies.”
FinCEN’s regulations for IVTS:
"An “informal value transfer system” refers to any system, mechanism, or network of people that receives money for the purpose of making the funds or an equivalent value payable to a third party in another geographic location, whether or not in the same form.”
“…IVTS… must comply with all BSA registration, recordkeeping, reporting and AML program requirements.
“Money transmitting” occurs when funds are transferred on behalf of the public by any and all means including, but not limited to, transfers within the United States or to locations abroad…regulations require all money transmitting businesses…to register with FinCEN."
Mike Caldwell used to accept and mail bitcoins. Customers sent him bitcoins and he mailed physical bitcoins back or to a designated recipient. There is no exchange from one type of currency to another. FinCEN told him that he needed to be licensed as money transmitter, after which Caldwell stopped mailing out bitcoins.
ARGUMENTS AGAINST NEED FOR LICENSING
Some have argued that LN does not transfer BTC until the channel is closed on the blockchain. This is not a defence, since channels will close on the blockchain.
Some have argued that LN nodes do not take ownership of funds. Is this really true? Is this argument based on a technicality or hoping for a loophole? It seems intuitive that a good prosecutor can easily defeat this argument. Even if this loophole exists, can we count on the government to never close this loophole?
So, will LN hubs and intermediary nodes need to be licensed as money transmitters? If so, then Bob, who is the intermediary between Alice and Carol, will need a license. But Bob won’t have the money nor qualifications. Money transmitters need to pay $25,000 to $1 million, maintain capital levels and are subject to KYC/AML regulations1. In which case, LN will have mainly large hubs, run by financial firms, such as banks and exchanges.
Will the banks want this? Likely. Will they lobby the government to get it? Likely.
Some may be wondering about miners. FinCEN has declared that miners are not money transmitters:
https://coincenter.org/entry/aml-kyc-tokens :
"Subsequent administrative rulings clarified several remaining ambiguities: miners are not money transmitters…"
FinCEN Declares Bitcoin Miners, Investors Aren't Money Transmitters
Some argue that LN nodes will go through Tor and be anonymous. For this to work, will all of the nodes connecting to it, need to run Tor? If so, then how likely will this happen and will all of these people need to run Tor on every device (laptop, phone and tablet)? Furthermore, everyone of these people will be need to be sufficiently tech savvy to download, install and set up Tor. Will the common person be able to do this? Also, will law-abiding nodes, such as retailers or banks, risk their own livelihood by connecting to an illegal node? What is the likelihood of this?
Some argue that unlicensed LN hubs can run in foreign countries. Not true. According to FinCEN: "“Money transmitting” occurs when funds are…transfers within the United States or to locations abroad…” Also, foreign companies are not immune from the laws of other countries which have extradition agreements. The U.S. government has sued European banks over the LIBOR scandal. The U.S. government has charged foreign banks for money laundering and two of those banks pleaded guilty. Furthermore, most countries have similar laws. It is no coincidence that European exchanges comply with KYC/AML.
Will licensed, regulated LN hubs connect to LN nodes behind Tor or in foreign countries? Unlikely. Will Amazon or eBay connect to LN nodes behind Tor or in foreign countries? Unlikely. If you want to buy from Amazon, you’ll likely need to register yourself at a licensed, regulated LN hub, which means you’ll need to provide your identification photo.
Say goodbye to a censorship-resistant, trust-less and permission-less coin.
For a preview of what LN will probably look like, look at Coinbase or other large exchanges. It’s a centralized, regulated and censored hub. Coinbase allows users to send to each other off-chain. Coinbase provides user data to the IRS and disallows users from certain countries to sell BTC. You need to trust that no rogue employee in the exchange will steal your funds, or that a bank will not confiscate your funds as banks did in Cyprus. What if the government provides a list of users, who are late with their tax returns, to Coinbase and tells Coinbase to block those users from making transactions? You need Coinbase’s permission.
This would be the antithesis of why Satoshi created Bitcoin.
NEED TO REPORT TO IRS
The IRS has a definition for “third party settlement organization” and these need to report transactions to the IRS.
Though we do not know for sure yet, it can be argued that LN hubs satisfies this definition. If this is the case, who will be willing to be LN hubs, other than banks and exchanges?
To read about the discussion, go to:
Lightning Hubs Will Need To Report To IRS
COMPLEXITY
All cryptocurrencies are complicated for the common person. You may be tech savvy enough to find a secure wallet and use cryptocurrencies, but the masses are not as tech savvy as you.
LN adds a very complicated and convoluted layer to cryptocurrencies. It is bound to have bugs for years to come and it’s complicated to use. This article provides a good explanation of the complexity. Just from the screenshot of the app, the user now needs to learn additional terms and commands:
“On Chain”
“In Channels”
“In Limbo”
“Your Channel”
“Create Channel”
“CID”
“OPENING”
“PENDING-OPEN”
“Available to Receive”
“PENDING-FORCE-CLOSE”
There are also other things to learn, such as how funds need to be allocated to channels and time locks. Compare this to using your current wallet.
Recently, LN became even more complicated and convoluted. It needs a 3rd layer as well:
Scaling Bitcoin Might Require A Whole 'Nother Layer
How many additional steps does a user need to learn?
ALL COINS PLANNING OFF-CHAIN SCALING ARE AT RISK
Bitcoin Segwit, Litecoin, Vertcoin and possibly others (including Bitcoin Cash) are planning to implement LN or layer 2 scaling. Ethereum is planning to use Raiden Network, which is very similar to LN. If the above is true about LN, then the scaling roadmap for these coins is questionable at best, nullified at worst.
BLOCKSTREAM'S GAME PLAN IS ON TRACK
Blockstream employs several of the lead Bitcoin Core developers. Blockstream has said repeatedly that they want high fees. Quotes and source links can be found here.
Why is Blockstream so adamant on small blocks, high fees and off-chain scaling?
Small blocks, high fees and slow confirmations create demand for off-chain solutions, such as Liquid. Blockstream sells Liquid to exchanges to move Bitcoin quickly on a side-chain. LN will create liquidity hubs, such as exchanges, which will generate traffic and fees for exchanges. With this, exchanges will have a higher need for Liquid. This will be the main way that Blockstream will generate revenue for its investors, who invested $76 million. Otherwise, they can go bankrupt and die.
One of Blockstream’s investors/owners is AXA. AXA’s CEO and Chairman until 2016 was also the Chairman of Bilderberg Group. The Bilderberg Group is run by bankers and politicians (former prime ministers and nation leaders). According to GlobalResearch, Bilderberg Group wants “a One World Government (World Company) with a single, global marketplace…and financially regulated by one ‘World (Central) Bank’ using one global currency.” LN helps Bilderberg Group get one step closer to its goal.
Luke-Jr is one of the lead BTC developers in Core/Blockstream. Regulation of BTC is in-line with his beliefs. He is a big believer in the government, as he believes that the government should tax you and the “State has authority from God”. In fact, he has other radical beliefs as well:
So, having only large, regulated LN hubs is not a failure for Blockstream/Bilderberg. It’s a success. The title of this article should be changed to: "Lightning Will Fail Or Succeed, Depending On Whether You Are Satoshi Or Blockstream/Bilderberg".
SIGNIFICANT ADVANCEMENTS WITH ON-CHAIN SCALING
Meanwhile, some coins such as Ethereum and Bitcoin Cash are pushing ahead with on-chain scaling. Both are looking at Sharding.
Visa handles 2,000 transactions per second on average. Blockstream said that on-chain scaling will not work. The development teams for Bitcoin Cash have shown significant on-chain scaling:
1 GB block running on testnet demonstrates over 10,000 transactions per second:
"we are not going from 1MB to 1GB tomorrow — The purpose of going so high is to prove that it can be done — no second layer is necessary”
"Preliminary Findings Demonstrate Over 10,000 Transactions Per Second"
"Gigablock testnet initiative will likely be implemented first on Bitcoin Cash”
Peter Rizun, Andrew Stone -- 1 GB Block Tests -- Scaling Bitcoin Stanford At 13:55 in this video, Rizun said that he thinks that Visa level can be achieved with a 4-core/16GB machine with better implementations (modifying the code to take advantage of parallelization.)
Bitcoin Cash plans to fix malleability and enable layer 2 solutions:
The Future of “Bitcoin Cash:” An Interview with Bitcoin ABC lead developer Amaury Séchet:
"fixing malleability and enabling Layer 2 solutions will happen”
However, it is questionable if layer 2 will work or is needed.
GOING FORWARD
The four year scaling debate and in-fighting is what caused small blockers (Blockstream) to fork Bitcoin by adding Segwit and big blockers to fork Bitcoin into Bitcoin Cash. Read:
Bitcoin Divorce - Bitcoin [Legacy] vs Bitcoin Cash Explained
It will be interesting to see how they scale going forward.
Scaling will be instrumental in getting network effect and to be widely adopted as a currency. Whichever Coin Has The Most Network Effect Will Take All (Or Most) (BTC has little network effect, and it's shrinking.)
The ability to scale will be key to the long term success of any coin.
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Decred Journal – September 2018

Note: you can read this on GitHub (link), Medium (link) or old Reddit (link).

Development

Final version 1.3.0 of the core software was released bringing all the enhancements reported last month to the rest of the community. The groundwork for SPV (simplified payment verification) is complete, another reduction of fees is being deployed, and performance stepped up once again with a 50% reduction in startup time, 20% increased sync speed and more than 3x faster peer delivery of block headers (a key update for SPV). Decrediton's integrations of SPV and Politeia are open for testing by experienced users. Read the full release notes and get the downloads on GitHub. As always, don't forget to verify signatures.
dcrd: completed several steps towards multipeer downloads, improved introduction to the software in the main README, continued porting cleanups and refactoring from upstream btcd.
Currently in review are initial release of smart fee estimator and a change to UTXO set semantics. The latter is a large and important change that provides simpler handling, and resolves various issues with the previous approach. A lot of testing and careful review is needed so help is welcome.
Educational series for new Decred developers by @matheusd added two episodes: 02 Simnet Setup shows how to automate simnet management with tmux and 03 Miner Reward Invalidation explains block validity rules.
Finally, a pull request template with a list of checks was added to help guide the contributors to dcrd.
dcrwallet: bugfixes and RPC improvements to support desktop and mobile wallets.
Developers are welcome to comment on this idea to derive stakepool keys from the HD wallet seed. This would eliminate the need to backup and restore redeem scripts, thus greatly improving wallet UX. (missed in July issue)
Decrediton: bugfixes, refactoring to make the sync process more robust, new loading animations, design polishing.
Politeia: multiple improvements to the CLI client (security conscious users with more funds at risk might prefer CLI) and security hardening. A feature to deprecate or timeout proposals was identified as necessary for initial release and the work started. A privacy enhancement to not leak metadata of ticket holders was merged.
Android: update from @collins: "Second test release for dcrandroid is out. Major bugs have been fixed since last test. Latest code from SPV sync has been integrated. Once again, bug reports are welcome and issues can be opened on GitHub". Ask in #dev room for the APK to join testing.
A new security page was added that allows one to validate addresses and to sign/verify messages, similar to Decrediton's Security Center. Work on translations is beginning.
Overall the app is quite stable and accepting more testers. Next milestone is getting the test app on the app store.
iOS: the app started accepting testers last week. @macsleven: "the test version of Decred Wallet for iOS is available, we have a link for installing the app but the builds currently require your UDID. Contact either @macsleven or @raedah with your UDID if you would like to help test.".
Nearest goal is to make the app crash free.
Both mobile apps received new design themes.
dcrdata: v3.0 was released for mainnet! Highlights: charts, "merged debits" view, agendas page, Insight API support, side chain tracking, Go 1.11 support with module builds, numerous backend improvements. Full release notes here. This release featured 9 contributors and development lead @chappjc noted: "This collaboration with @raedahgroup on our own block explorer and web API for @decredproject has been super productive.".
Up next is supporting dynamic page widths site wide and deploying new visual blocks home page.
Trezor: proof of concept implementation for Trezor Model T firmware is in the works (previous work was for Model One).
Ticket splitting: updated to use Go modules and added simnet support, several fixes.
docs: beginner's guide overhaul, multiple fixes and cleanups.
decred.org: added 3rd party wallets, removed inactive PoW pools and removed web wallet.
@Richard-Red is building a curated list of Decred-related GitHub repositories.
Welcome to new people contributing for the first time: @klebe, @s_ben, @victorguedes, and PrimeDominus!
Dev activity stats for September: 219 active PRs, 197 commits, 28.7k added and 18.8k deleted lines spread across 6 repositories. Contributions came from 4-10 developers per repository. (chart)

Network

Hashrate: started and ended the month around 75 PH/s, hitting a low of 60.5 and a new high of 110 PH/s. BeePool is again the leader with their share varying between 23-54%, followed by F2Pool 13-30%, Coinmine 4-6% and Luxor 3-5%. As in previous months, there were multiple spikes of unidentified hashrate.
Staking: 30-day average ticket price is 98 DCR (+2.4). The price varied between 95.7 and 101.9 DCR. Locked DCR amount was 3.86-3.96 million DCR, or 45.7-46.5% of the supply.
Nodes: there are 201 public listening nodes and 325 normal nodes per dcred.eu. Version distribution: 5% are v1.4.0(pre) dev builds (+3%), 30% on v1.3.0 (+25%), 42% on v1.2.0 (-20%), 15% on v1.1.2 (-7%), 6% on v1.1.0. More than 76% of nodes run v1.2.0 and higher and therefore support client filters. Data as of Oct 1.

ASICs

Obelisk posted two updates on their mailing list. 70% of Batch 1 units are shipped, an extensive user guide is available, Obelisk Scanner application was released that allows one to automatically update firmware. First firmware update was released and bumped SC1 hashrate by 10-20%, added new pools and fixed multiple bugs. Next update will focus on DCR1. It is worth a special mention that the firmware source code is now open! Let us hope more manufacturers will follow this example.
A few details about Whatsminer surfaced this month. The manufacturer is MicroBT, also known as Bitwei and commonly misspelled as Bitewei. Pangolinminer is a reseller, and the model name is Whatsminer D1.
Bitmain has finally entered Decred ASIC space with their Antminer DR3. Hash rate is 7.8 TH/s while pulling 1410 W, at the price of $673. These specs mean it has the best GH/W and GH/USD of currently sold miners until the Whatsminer or others come out, although its GH/USD of 11.6 already competes with Whatsminer's 10.5. Discussed on Reddit and bitcointalk, unboxing video here.

Integrations

Meet our 17th voting service provider: decredvoting.com. It is operated by @david, has 2% fee and supports ticket splitting. Reddit thread is here.
For a historical note, the first VSP to support ticket splitting was decredbrasil.com:
@matheusd started tests on testnet several months ago. I contacted him so we could integrate with the pool in June this year. We set up the machine in July and bought the first split ticket on mainnet, using the decredbrasil pool, on July 19. It was voted on July 30. After this first vote on mainnet, we opened the tests to selected users (with more technical background) on the pool. In August we opened the tests to everyone, and would call people who want to join to the #ticket_splitting channel, or to our own Slack (in Portuguese, so mostly Brazilian users). We have 28 split tickets already voted, and 16 are live. So little more than 40 split tickets total were bought on decredbrasil pool. (@girino in #pos-voting)
KuCoin exchange listed DCBTC and DCETH pairs. To celebrate their anniversary they had a 99% trading fees discount on DCR pairs for 2 weeks.
Three more wallets integrated Decred in September:
ChangeNow announced Decred addition to their Android app that allows accountless swaps between 150+ assets.
Coinbase launched informational asset pages for top 50 coins by market cap, including Decred. First the pages started showing in the Coinbase app for a small group of testers, and later the web price dashboard went live.

Adoption

The birth of a Brazilian girl was registered on the Decred blockchain using OriginalMy, a blockchain proof of authenticity services provider. Read the full story in Portuguese and in English.

Marketing

Advertising report for September is ready. Next month the graphics for all the ads will be changing.
Marketing might seem quiet right now, but a ton is actually going on behind the scenes to put the right foundation in place for the future. Discovery data are being analyzed to generate a positioning strategy, as well as a messaging hierarchy that can guide how to talk about Decred. This will all be agreed upon via consensus of the community in the work channels, and materials will be distributed.
Next, work is being done to identify the right PR partner to help with media relations, media training, and coordination at events. While all of this is coming up to speed, we believe the website needs a refresher reflecting the soon to be agreed upon messaging, plus a more intuitive architecture to make it easier to navigate. (@Dustorf)

Events

Attended:
Upcoming:
We'll begin shortly reviewing conferences and events planned for the first half of 2019. Highlights are sure to include The North American Bitcoin Conference in Miami (Jan 16-18) and Consensus in NYC (May 14-16). If you have suggestions of events or conferences Decred should attend, please share them in #event_planning. In 2019, we would like to expand our presence in Europe, Asia, and South America, and we're looking for community members to help identify and staff those events. (@Dustorf)

Media

August issue of Decred Journal was translated to Russian. Many thanks to @DZ!
Rency cryptocurrency ratings published a report on Decred and incorporated a lot of feedback from the community on Reddit.
September issue of Chinese CCID ratings was published (snapshot), Decred is still at the bottom.
Videos:
Featured articles:
Articles:

Community Discussions

Community stats:
Comm systems news: Several work channels were migrated to Matrix, #writers_room is finally bridged.
Highlights:
Twitter: why decentralized governance and funding are necessary for network survival and the power of controlling the narrative; learning about governance more broadly by watching its evolution in cryptocurrency space, importance of community consensus and communications infrastructure.
Reddit: yet another strong pitch by @solar; question about buyer protections; dcrtime internals; a proposal to sponsor hoodies in the University of Cape Town; Lightning Network support for altcoins.
Chats: skills to operate a stakepool; voting details: 2 of 3 votes can approve a block, what votes really approve are regular tx, etc; scriptless script atomic swaps using Schnorr adaptor signatures; dev dashboard, choosing work, people do best when working on what interests them most; opportunities for governments and enterprise for anchoring legal data to blockchain; terminology: DAO vs DAE; human-friendly payments, sharing xpub vs payment protocols; funding btcsuite development; Politeia vote types: approval vote, sentiment vote and a defund vote, also linking proposals and financial statements; algo trading and programming languages (yes, on #trading!); alternative implementation, C/C++/Go/Rust; HFTs, algo trading, fake volume and slippage; offline wallets, usb/write-only media/optical scanners vs auditing traffic between dcrd and dcrwallet; Proof of Activity did not inspire Decred but spurred Decred to get moving, Wikipedia page hurdles; how stakeholders could veto blocks; how many votes are needed to approve a proposal; why Decrediton uses Electron; CVE-2018-17144 and over-dependence on single Bitcoin implementation, btcsuite, fuzz testing; tracking proposal progress after voting and funding; why the wallet does not store the seed at all; power connectors, electricity, wiring and fire safety; reasonable spendings from project fund; ways to measure sync progress better than block height; using Politeia without email address; concurrency in Go, locks vs channels.
#support is not often mentioned, but it must be noted that every day on this channel people get high quality support. (@bee: To my surprise, even those poor souls running Windows 10. My greatest respect to the support team!)

Markets

In September DCR was trading in the range of USD 34-45 / BTC 0.0054-0.0063. On Sep 6, DCR revisited the bottom of USD 34 / BTC 0.0054 when BTC quickly dropped from USD 7,300 to 6,400. On Sep 14, a small price rise coincided with both the start of KuCoin trading and hashrate spike to 104 PH/s. Looking at coinmarketcap charts, the trading volume is a bit lower than in July and August.
As of Oct 4, Decred is #18 by the number of daily transactions with 3,200 tx, and #9 by the USD value of daily issuance with $230k. (source: onchainfx)
Interesting observation by @ImacallyouJawdy: while we sit at 2018 price lows the amount locked in tickets is testing 2018 high.

Relevant External

ASIC for Lyra2REv2 was spotted on the web. Vertcoin team is preparing a new PoW algorithm. This would be the 3rd fork after two previous forks to change the algorithm in 2014 and 2015.
A report titled The Positive Externalities of Bitcoin Mining discusses the benefits of PoW mining that are often overlooked by the critics of its energy use.
A Brief Study of Cryptonetwork Forks by Alex Evans of Placeholder studies the behavior of users, developers and miners after the fork, and makes the cases that it is hard for child chains to attract users and developers from their parent chains.
New research on private atomic swaps: the paper "Anonymous Atomic Swaps Using Homomorphic Hashing" attempts to break the public link between two transactions. (bitcointalk, decred)
On Sep 18 Poloniex announced delisting of 8 more assets. That day they took a 12-80% dive showing their dependence on this one exchange.
Circle introduced USDC markets on Poloniex: "USDC is a fully collateralized US dollar stablecoin using the ERC-20 standard that provides detailed financial and operational transparency, operates within the regulated framework of US money transmission laws, and is reinforced by established banking partners and auditors.".
Coinbase announced new asset listing process and is accepting submissions on their listing portal. (decred)
The New York State Office of the Attorney General posted a study of 13 exchanges that contains many insights.
A critical vulnerability was discovered and fixed in Bitcoin Core. Few days later a full disclosure was posted revealing the severity of the bug. In a bitcointalk thread btcd was called 'amateur' despite not being vulnerable, and some Core developers voiced their concerns about multiple implementations. The Bitcoin Unlimited developer who found the bug shared his perspective in a blog post. Decred's vision so far is that more full node implementations is a strength, just like for any Internet protocol.

About This Issue

This is the 6th issue of Decred Journal. It is mirrored on GitHub, Medium and Reddit. Past issues are available here.
Most information from third parties is relayed directly from source after a minimal sanity check. The authors of Decred Journal have no ability to verify all claims. Please beware of scams and do your own research.
Feedback is appreciated: please comment on Reddit, GitHub or #writers_room on Matrix or Slack.
Contributions are also welcome: some areas are adding content, pre-release review or translations to other languages.
Credits (Slack names, alphabetical order): bee, Dustorf, jz, Haon, oregonisaac, raedah and Richard-Red.
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I finally figured out how to file my taxes with crypto gains. Using multiple exchanges, Cointracking.info, and Turbotax.

I spent a lot of time gaining information on Reddit so I figured I'd give back by summarizing how I filed my (U.S.) taxes in what I believe was the correct manner. Real quick, I used Cointracking.info (can also use Bitcoin.tax) to calculate my gains/losses using FIFO and generate my tax reports. I filed using the Deluxe desktop version of Turbotax so I can upload my reports. NO I DID NOT HAVE TO MANUALLY ENTER EACH TRANSACTION! But you have to get the CD/Downloaded version of Turbotax. There is no web version that allows you to upload your reports...and don't worry, after calling to confirm this with Turbotax I let them have it. Also, I am not being paid or providing referrals to any of these sites/programs....they worked for me so I figured I'd share for free.
I am not a tax or accountant professional so take the following with a grain of salt....
First things first, you have to figure out your "realized" crypto gains. I'm not going to go into detail here as many will ignore the truth that converting from one crypto to another is considered a taxable event. You're an adult, you make your own decisions but honestly I was surprised at how little of my crypto was considered realized once I ran all my numbers.
Since I've started crypto, I've used a couple different exchanges and Shapeshift (will never use again after this whole ordeal). Cointracking.info gives instructions on how to import your trades from all the major exchanges. (WARNING: pay attention to the timezones; Coinbase for example shows you the time of transaction in your timezone when you're viewing the site but once you download the data it will switch to Pacific Time, Binance will be in UTC time...etc.) If you don't have the time correct then your FIFO calculations and Short/Long term gains can be off. Shapeshift or any other non-exchange activity can be uploaded using excel or you can manually add individual transactions. Don't forget to review the transactions once you think you have every thing into your coin tracking site as the super nerds who created the algorithms aren't always correct. Ask your self questions like "did I really make a trade at 3:00 am on a work-night" or "does my final balance match what I actually have in my wallets".
Once you have all your transactions completed you can download the Form 8949, (keep this for your records in case you're ever audited or more information is requested) and a Turbotax specific file called Capital Gains Report. File your taxes on the DESKTOP version of Turbotax as you normally would. When it asks about income there is a place you can go to upload documents. Upload the Capital Gains Report provided. Turbotax is smart enough to recognize and auto populate all ~75 trades that I had onto a 1099-B. Again, NOT A PROFESSIONAL, I heard something about mailing in your Schedule D/8949 but everything seems to be reported correctly on the 1099-B so this does not appear to be necessary. And that was it! I live in North Carolina and I did not see anywhere where I needed to report any of this information for the state form.
If you don't want to believe a stranger on Reddit then you can get the desktop version of the Premier Turbotax which comes with the ability to get free CPA help over the phone. Or you go to your tax professional and have him/her do your taxes but they'll need the Form 8949 provided to you by your coin tracking site.
I tried posting this to cryptocurrency but apparently I'm not cool enough to post there and help people out. Vertcoin was the first community I followed when I first got into alt coins so you get my love first.
Feel free to let me know if I'm an idiot in the comments as again, I am not a tax professional nor an accountant, just a guy who likes to DIY and learn how/why taxes work to save some money.
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Lightning Network Will Likely Fail Due To Several Possible Reasons

ECONOMIC CASE IS ABSENT FOR MANY TRANSACTIONS
The median Bitcoin (BTC) fee is $14.41 currently. This has gone parabolic in the past few days. So, let’s use a number before this parabolic rise, which was $3.80. Using this number, opening and closing a Lightning Network (LN) channel means that you will pay $7.60 in fees. Most likely, the fee will be much higher for two reasons:
  1. BTC fees have been trending higher all year and will be higher by the time LN is ready
  2. When you are in the shoe store or restaurant, you will likely pay a higher fee so that you are not waiting there for one or more hours for confirmation.
Let’s say hypothetically that Visa or Paypal charges $1 per transaction. This means that Alice and Carol would need to do 8 or more LN transactions, otherwise it would be cheaper to use Visa or Paypal.
But it gets worse. Visa doesn’t charge the customer. To you, Visa and Cash are free. You would have no economic incentive to use BTC and LN.
Also, Visa does not charge $1 per transaction. They charge 3%, which is 60 cents on a $20 widget. Let’s say that merchants discount their widgets by 60 cents for non-Visa purchases, to pass the savings onto the customer. Nevertheless, no one is going to use BTC and LN to buy the widget unless 2 things happen:
  1. they buy more than 13 widgets from the same store ($7.60 divided by 60 cents)
  2. they know ahead of time that they will do this with that same store
This means that if you’re traveling, or want to tip content producers on the internet, you will likely not use BTC and LN. If you and your spouse want to try out a new restaurant, you will not use BTC and LN. If you buy shoes, you will not use BTC and LN.
ROAD BLOCKS FROM INSUFFICIENT FUNDS
Some argue that you do not need to open a channel to everyone, if there’s a route to that merchant. This article explains that if LN is like a distributed mesh network, then another problem exists:
"third party needs to possess the necessary capital to process the transaction. If Alice and Bob do not have an open channel, and Alice wants to send Bob .5 BTC, they'll both need to be connected to a third party (or a series of 3rd parties). Say if Charles (the third party) only possesses .4 BTC in his respective payment channels with the other users, the transaction will not be able to go through that route. The longer the route, the more likely that a third party does not possess the requisite amount of BTC, thereby making it a useless connection.”
CENTRALIZATION
According to this visualization of LN on testnet, LN will be centralized around major hubs. It might be even more centralized than this visualization if the following are true:
  1. Users will want to connect to large hubs to minimize the number of times they need to open/close channels, which incur fees
  2. LN’s security and usability relies on 100% uptime of relaying parties
  3. Only large hubs with a lot of liquidity will be able to make money
  4. Hubs or intermediary nodes will need to be licensed as money transmitters, centralizing LN to exchanges and banks as large hubs
What will the impact be on censorship-resistance, trust-less and permission-less?
NEED TO BE LICENSED AS MONEY TRANSMITTER
Advocates for LN seem to talk a lot about the technology, but ignore the legalities.
FinCEN defines money transmitters. LN hubs and intermediary nodes seem to satisfy this definition.
Application of FinCEN's Regulations to Persons Administering, Exchanging, or Using Virtual Currencies
“…applicability of the regulations … to persons creating, obtaining, distributing, exchanging, accepting, or transmitting virtual currencies.”
“…an administrator or exchanger is an MSB under FinCEN's regulations, specifically, a money transmitter…”
"An administrator or exchanger that (1) accepts and transmits a convertible virtual currency or (2) buys or sells convertible virtual currency for any reason is a money transmitter under FinCEN's regulations…”
"FinCEN's regulations define the term "money transmitter" as a person that provides money transmission services, or any other person engaged in the transfer of funds. The term "money transmission services" means "the acceptance of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency from one person and the transmission of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency to another location or person by any means.””
"The definition of a money transmitter does not differentiate between real currencies and convertible virtual currencies.”
FinCEN’s regulations for IVTS:
"An “informal value transfer system” refers to any system, mechanism, or network of people that receives money for the purpose of making the funds or an equivalent value payable to a third party in another geographic location, whether or not in the same form.”
“…IVTS… must comply with all BSA registration, recordkeeping, reporting and AML program requirements.
“Money transmitting” occurs when funds are transferred on behalf of the public by any and all means including, but not limited to, transfers within the United States or to locations abroad…regulations require all money transmitting businesses…to register with FinCEN."
Mike Caldwell used to accept and mail bitcoins. Customers sent him bitcoins and he mailed physical bitcoins back or to a designated recipient. There is no exchange from one type of currency to another. FinCEN told him that he needed to be licensed as money transmitter, after which Caldwell stopped mailing out bitcoins.
ARGUMENTS AGAINST NEED FOR LICENSING
Some have argued that LN does not transfer BTC until the channel is closed on the blockchain. This is not a defence, since channels will close on the blockchain.
Some have argued that LN nodes do not take ownership of funds. Is this really true? Is this argument based on a technicality or hoping for a loophole? It seems intuitive that a good prosecutor can easily defeat this argument. Even if this loophole exists, can we count on the government to never close this loophole?
So, will LN hubs and intermediary nodes need to be licensed as money transmitters? If so, then Bob, who is the intermediary between Alice and Carol, will need a license. But Bob won’t have the money nor qualifications. Money transmitters need to pay $25,000 to $1 million, maintain capital levels and are subject to KYC/AML regulations1. In which case, LN will have mainly large hubs, run by financial firms, such as banks and exchanges.
Will the banks want this? Likely. Will they lobby the government to get it? Likely.
Some may be wondering about miners. FinCEN has declared that miners are not money transmitters:
https://coincenter.org/entry/aml-kyc-tokens :
"Subsequent administrative rulings clarified several remaining ambiguities: miners are not money transmitters…"
FinCEN Declares Bitcoin Miners, Investors Aren't Money Transmitters
Some argue that LN nodes will go through Tor and be anonymous. For this to work, will all of the nodes connecting to it, need to run Tor? If so, then how likely will this happen and will all of these people need to run Tor on every device (laptop, phone and tablet)? Furthermore, everyone of these people will be need to be sufficiently tech savvy to download, install and set up Tor. Will the common person be able to do this? Also, will law-abiding nodes, such as retailers or banks, risk their own livelihood by connecting to an illegal node? What is the likelihood of this?
Some argue that unlicensed LN hubs can run in foreign countries. Not true. According to FinCEN: "“Money transmitting” occurs when funds are…transfers within the United States or to locations abroad…” Also, foreign companies are not immune from the laws of other countries which have extradition agreements. The U.S. government has sued European banks over the LIBOR scandal. The U.S. government has charged foreign banks for money laundering and two of those banks pleaded guilty. Furthermore, most countries have similar laws. It is no coincidence that European exchanges comply with KYC/AML.
Will licensed, regulated LN hubs connect to LN nodes behind Tor or in foreign countries? Unlikely. Will Amazon or eBay connect to LN nodes behind Tor or in foreign countries? Unlikely. If you want to buy from Amazon, you’ll likely need to register yourself at a licensed, regulated LN hub, which means you’ll need to provide your identification photo.
Say goodbye to a censorship-resistant, trust-less and permission-less coin.
For a preview of what LN will probably look like, look at Coinbase or other large exchanges. It’s a centralized, regulated and censored hub. Coinbase allows users to send to each other off-chain. Coinbase provides user data to the IRS and disallows users from certain countries to sell BTC. You need to trust that no rogue employee in the exchange will steal your funds, or that a bank will not confiscate your funds as banks did in Cyprus. What if the government provides a list of users, who are late with their tax returns, to Coinbase and tells Coinbase to block those users from making transactions? You need Coinbase’s permission.
This would be the antithesis of why Satoshi created Bitcoin.
NEED TO REPORT TO IRS
The IRS has a definition for “third party settlement organization” and these need to report transactions to the IRS.
Though we do not know for sure yet, it can be argued that LN hubs satisfies this definition. If this is the case, who will be willing to be LN hubs, other than banks and exchanges?
To read about the discussion, go to:
Lightning Hubs Will Need To Report To IRS
COMPLEXITY
All cryptocurrencies are complicated for the common person. You may be tech savvy enough to find a secure wallet and use cryptocurrencies, but the masses are not as tech savvy as you.
LN adds a very complicated and convoluted layer to cryptocurrencies. It is bound to have bugs for years to come and it’s complicated to use. This article provides a good explanation of the complexity. Just from the screenshot of the app, the user now needs to learn additional terms and commands:
“On Chain”
“In Channels”
“In Limbo”
“Your Channel”
“Create Channel”
“CID”
“OPENING”
“PENDING-OPEN”
“Available to Receive”
“PENDING-FORCE-CLOSE”
There are also other things to learn, such as how funds need to be allocated to channels and time locks. Compare this to using your current wallet.
Recently, LN became even more complicated and convoluted. It needs a 3rd layer as well:
Scaling Bitcoin Might Require A Whole 'Nother Layer
How many additional steps does a user need to learn?
ALL COINS PLANNING OFF-CHAIN SCALING ARE AT RISK
Bitcoin Segwit, Litecoin, Vertcoin and possibly others (including Bitcoin Cash) are planning to implement LN or layer 2 scaling. Ethereum is planning to use Raiden Network, which is very similar to LN. If the above is true about LN, then the scaling roadmap for these coins is questionable at best, nullified at worst.
BLOCKSTREAM'S GAME PLAN IS ON TRACK
Blockstream employs several of the lead Bitcoin Core developers. Blockstream has said repeatedly that they want high fees. Quotes and source links can be found here.
Why is Blockstream so adamant on small blocks, high fees and off-chain scaling?
Small blocks, high fees and slow confirmations create demand for off-chain solutions, such as Liquid. Blockstream sells Liquid to exchanges to move Bitcoin quickly on a side-chain. LN will create liquidity hubs, such as exchanges, which will generate traffic and fees for exchanges. With this, exchanges will have a higher need for Liquid. This will be the main way that Blockstream will generate revenue for its investors, who invested $76 million. Otherwise, they can go bankrupt and die.
One of Blockstream’s investors/owners is AXA. AXA’s CEO and Chairman until 2016 was also the Chairman of Bilderberg Group. The Bilderberg Group is run by bankers and politicians (former prime ministers and nation leaders). According to GlobalResearch, Bilderberg Group wants “a One World Government (World Company) with a single, global marketplace…and financially regulated by one ‘World (Central) Bank’ using one global currency.” LN helps Bilderberg Group get one step closer to its goal.
Luke-Jr is one of the lead BTC developers in Core/Blockstream. Regulation of BTC is in-line with his beliefs. He is a big believer in the government, as he believes that the government should tax you and the “State has authority from God”. In fact, he has other radical beliefs as well:
So, having only large, regulated LN hubs is not a failure for Blockstream/Bilderberg. It’s a success. The title of this article should be changed to: "Lightning Will Fail Or Succeed, Depending On Whether You Are Satoshi Or Blockstream/Bilderberg".
SIGNIFICANT ADVANCEMENTS WITH ON-CHAIN SCALING
Meanwhile, some coins such as Ethereum and Bitcoin Cash are pushing ahead with on-chain scaling. Both are looking at Sharding.
Visa handles 2,000 transactions per second on average. Blockstream said that on-chain scaling will not work. The development teams for Bitcoin Cash have shown significant on-chain scaling:
1 GB block running on testnet demonstrates over 10,000 transactions per second:
"we are not going from 1MB to 1GB tomorrow — The purpose of going so high is to prove that it can be done — no second layer is necessary”
"Preliminary Findings Demonstrate Over 10,000 Transactions Per Second"
"Gigablock testnet initiative will likely be implemented first on Bitcoin Cash”
Peter Rizun, Andrew Stone -- 1 GB Block Tests -- Scaling Bitcoin Stanford At 13:55 in this video, Rizun said that he thinks that Visa level can be achieved with a 4-core/16GB machine with better implementations (modifying the code to take advantage of parallelization.)
Bitcoin Cash plans to fix malleability and enable layer 2 solutions:
The Future of “Bitcoin Cash:” An Interview with Bitcoin ABC lead developer Amaury Séchet:
"fixing malleability and enabling Layer 2 solutions will happen”
However, it is questionable if layer 2 will work or is needed.
GOING FORWARD
The four year scaling debate and in-fighting is what caused small blockers (Blockstream) to fork Bitcoin by adding Segwit and big blockers to fork Bitcoin into Bitcoin Cash. Read:
Bitcoin Divorce - Bitcoin [Legacy] vs Bitcoin Cash Explained
It will be interesting to see how they scale going forward.
Scaling will be instrumental in getting network effect and to be widely adopted as a currency. Whichever Coin Has The Most Network Effect Will Take All (Or Most) (BTC has little network effect, and it's shrinking.)
The ability to scale will be key to the long term success of any coin.
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Want to buy vertcoin but do not know how

So I recently downloaded coinbase and put $100 into bitcoin for the sole purpose of buying vertcoin. The only thing I have done is download the app and buy 100$ in bitcoin, I do not have a desktop wallet or anything. Could someone give me step by step directions on how to convert all my bitcoin to vertcoin? Thank you in advance. Sorry for being crypto incompetent.
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Slack chat with James Lovejoy (VTC Lead Dev)

Thought I would share this chat I had with James Lovejoy last night. Super generous of him to provide this much access and time answering questions. I was already a HODL'er, but this solidified it.
beerfinger [1:28 AM] Just read through the entire rebranding thread in the Vertcoin subreddit. Earlier today I also watched some of Crypto Hedge's interview of James Lovejoy from last August on YouTube. I understand both sides of the rebranding argument and have tried to play devil's advocate. Right now I do believe that the argument against rebranding is stronger. Full disclosure: I've worked in marketing/advertising my whole career and just recently got into cryptos. With that said, there are two questions that keeps nagging on me:
[1:28] 1. this coin has been around since 2014, so nearly 4 years. James seems like an incredibly smart and capable chap, but I'm just going to go ahead and assume the he hasn't always been the Lead Dev while he was in high school. Presumably there was someone before him and, after he graduates and moves on to whatever it is he's going to do with his life, there will be someone after him. Yes? So, with all due respect to James, as an investor in VTC, what assurances are there that this isn't merely an interesting side-project for a brilliant MIT student with little interest/incentive in its value as an investment portfolio? If the value of this coin to James is that of a college project, that is something I as an investor would like to know.
jamesl22 [1:32 AM] Hey!
[1:33] I've been the lead dev since Nov 2014
[1:33] (while I was in high school)
[1:33] And I've kept at it through college, I certainly don't intend to go anywhere
[1:33] Plus, there are more who work on this project that just me
beerfinger [1:33 AM] 2. I've read complaints about Vertcoin from people who poopoo its usefulness. Decrying it as "just another coin trying to be Bitcoin with not much differentiating it." People don't seem to view the ASIC thing as a big enough differentiator to make VTC stand out. There seems to be a kernel of truth to that as part of the argument against rebranding seems to be a tacit acknowledgement that it should not occur until a major change in the development is launched. So my question again stems back to James' motivations and incentives here. Is this a convenient use case for some college thesis? Or is the team really working on coming up with a major change in development?
[1:34] hey James! wow, thanks so much for your quick response
[1:34] great to actually communicate with you. and I stand corrected. very impressive that you started on this so young. I can see why MIT accepted you :slightly_smiling_face:
[1:36] my questions still stand though: I'm not trying to insult you so I hope you don't take it that way, but as someone who considers VTC part of my investment portfolio, I am very curious to hear about your incentives. You clearly have noble intentions. But what is your ultimate goal? What's the end game? Is it the same as Satoshi's was? (assuming he was really one person who existed)
[1:37] Or is there something else?
jamesl22 [1:37 AM] I think it's the same as Satoshi's
[1:37] To recreate the financial system in a fairer, more distributed way
[1:37] My research at MIT is totally separate to my work on VTC, though the two are complimentary (both are in cryptocurrency)
[1:38] In my ideal world everyone runs a VTC miner and full node in their home, banks become narrow banks and clearing houses/stock exchanges are a thing of the past
[1:39] The rewards of the financial system (in the form of transaction fees) will be distributed to the people, rather than siphoned off by banks or ASIC manufacturers as happens now (edited)
goodminer [1:40 AM] :thumbsup:
beerfinger [1:40 AM] I see. That is compelling. So, being that's the case, that sounds to me like something worthy of a brand, no?
[1:41] Unless you think there are other coins on the market with the same goals. In which case, what will differentiate VTC?
jamesl22 [1:42 AM] I don't think there are any on the market with as strong of an ideology as us
[1:42] Or any that can demonstrate that it follows through on its commitments
[1:42] The way I see it, VTC went from being worth $0.01 last year to 100x that now
[1:43] I don't see how a rebrand can possible accelerate already parabolic growth
[1:43] Bear in mind, that until a few months ago we had 0 marketing, that is where our focus should be now
beerfinger [1:44 AM] Fair. I'm curious, what do you think it SHOULD be worth?
[1:44] I mean right now, at this moment.
jamesl22 [1:44 AM] I don't think I should say, the SEC might be watching us
beerfinger [1:44 AM] Not in the future.
[1:44] haha
[1:44] ok
[1:44] Can you say if you feel it is undervalued?
[1:44] or overvalued
jamesl22 [1:45 AM] I will say with confidence that 95% of the top 100 is severely overvalued
beerfinger [1:45 AM] coins you mean
jamesl22 [1:45 AM] Yes
[1:45] On coinmarketcap
[1:45] If you visit most of their websites, there is no code at all
[1:45] Yet it's worth many times what VTC is worth
[1:46] Where VTC has been established for nearly 4 years, bug free and features well demonstrated
[1:46] VTC also had LN and SegWit on main net before LTC or BTC (edited)
beerfinger [1:46 AM] Yes I mean your statement doesn't surprise me. It's a nacent market. Lots of snake oil, clearly.
[1:47] I guess to steer this back towards the branding/marketing of your coin though, you clearly feel strongly about it and have a clear vision. Do you feel that as it stands the branding conveys that sentiment?
jamesl22 [1:47 AM] When you say branding, I assume you mean "vertcoin" and the logo?
beerfinger [1:48 AM] yes. logo, color scheme, etc...
[1:48] name even
[1:49] also to clarify one point, when I say that you clearly feel strongly about it, the "it" refers to your coin (not the marketing of it)
jamesl22 [1:49 AM] I think it's largely arbitrary
beerfinger [1:49 AM] why is that
jamesl22 [1:49 AM] Most coin names have no meaning whatsoever
[1:49] Google, the largest tech company in the world has a silly name
[1:50] Litecoin (whose name ought to imply it has fewer features) is #4
beerfinger [1:51 AM] I wouldn't underestimate the amount of strategy that went into branding Google (and continues to this day)
jamesl22 [1:51 AM] What's most important is the pitch, how can you convince someone who knows nothing about the technicals behind cryptocurrency, that ASIC resistance and decentralisation is important?
[1:51] Yes, but the original branding was arbitrary and haphazard
[1:52] Yet the technology spoke for itself
[1:52] Now it's in the dictionary
[1:53] Spending lots of time and money on a new name/logo, trying to get community consensus on that and then redesigning the website/subreddit/wallets/other services to reflect the changes is not where I think we should focus our small resources
[1:54] My goal over the next year or two is to take VTC from speculative value to real-world value
[1:54] So point of sale, ease of use, that's the focus now
[1:55] I aim to over time provide complete solutions for merchants to implement VTC at point of sale, for laymen to set up nodes and miners in their homes
[1:55] As well as potentially enterprise support if we get big enough
beerfinger [1:55 AM] It sounds like this is your intended career path then, yes?
jamesl22 [1:55 AM] In some shape or form, yes
beerfinger [1:55 AM] Wonderful
[1:55] When do you graduate, James?
[1:55] If you don't mind me asking
slackbot Custom Response [1:55 AM] I AM talking to you aren't I !
jamesl22 [1:56 AM] Charlie Lee worked at Coinbase for several years before returning to LTC a month or two ago
[1:56] 2019
beerfinger [1:56 AM] So you're a Sophomore? Or are you in graduate school?
jamesl22 [1:57 AM] Junior
chuymgzz [1:58 AM] @beerfinger can you imagine when people first heard the word "dollar" like WTF is a dollar where did it actually came from. It actually comes from Czech joachimsthaler, which became shortened in common usage to thaler or taler. Don't pay much attention to the name Vertcoin, just take a look at the tech. If you buy into this coin's ideology, you will actually start to like the name.
jin [1:58 AM] Hey guys :slightly_smiling_face:
[1:59] @chuymgzz but not everyone looks purely at the tech, if we look at the top 100 coins, you would know whats going on :stuck_out_tongue:
beerfinger [1:59 AM] Cool well thanks for indulging me, James. I really appreciate it. Hopefully this conversation continues in the future. While your probably right that right now is probably not the right time, that doesn't mean at some point in the future it won't be. In the meantime, I'll take comfort in the knowledge that I've invested in a worthy cause.
chuymgzz [1:59 AM] Longer term only the functional ones and the ones that deliver will survive and a whole ecosystem will be built around it
jin [1:59 AM] buzz and hype is unfortunately a large part of it
beerfinger [2:00 AM] *you're
jin [2:00 AM] that is true, but without marketing to draw in attention (which leads to usage and so on etc) it will be difficult for a functional one to survive even
beerfinger [2:07 AM] @james122 One more thing: how do you feel about regulation? Pro or con? Do you feel that the idea of nation states like the US and China (ergo the ICO ban) taking it upon themselves to place restrictions on the market to try and make them safer is anathema to the idea of decentralization? Are you a full on libertarian in that respect? Or do you welcome regulation because it'll separate the wheat from the chaff?
jamesl22 [2:07 AM] I think we need a sane amount of regulation
[2:08] ICOs are clearly illegal imo
[2:08] Unless they are performed under the same rules as an IPO
[2:09] Plus I don't want to create a safe harbour for child pornographers, people traffickers and terrorists to store their money
[2:09] However I do think the state has no right to spy on you without a warrant (edited)
beerfinger [2:09 AM] You mean you don't want to be Monero? :slightly_smiling_face:
jamesl22 [2:09 AM] No
[2:10] I will pursue privacy features that make the pseudoanonymity provided by the blockchain easier for people to use effectively
[2:11] That way, it is not obvious to anyone your holdings or transactions publicly (edited)
[2:11] But things like sting operations would still be theoretically possible
beerfinger [2:13 AM] Love it. I still feel the branding thing will need to be revisited at some point. I don't know what that means, exactly. Whether its as small as a font change to something bigger like a new color scheme, logo or even name, I'm not sure of. The ideology is strong, but as it stands Vertcoin doesn't have a clear differentiator in the market. I'm not sure that matters so much yet at this time, but it will.
[2:15] You clearly have a strong vision, I'm just not sure it's being communicated effectively yet. Hence, haters who say Vertcoin is just trying to be another Bitcoin.
workstation [2:15 AM] beerfinger might be a huge whale sniffing out Vertcoin before a huge loadup. Not that, that's a bad thing :stuck_out_tongue:
beerfinger [2:15 AM] haha... I wish
jamesl22 [2:16 AM] Vertcoin is trying to be another Bitcoin lol
[2:16] It's picking up where Bitcoin left off
[2:16] If people want a decentralised cryptocurrency, they should use Vertcoin
[2:17] Bitcoin just isn't one anymore
[2:17] Neither is Litecoin (edited)
beerfinger [2:20 AM] Semantics really, but if that's the case then that means Vertcoin isn't trying to be another Bitcoin. Bitcoin is already Bitcoin, which is a coin that did not fulfill it's promises. Vertcoin, on the other hand, like you said picks up where Bitcoin left off. I'm not sure that's being communicated by the brand (yet). Doing so may have nothing to do with rebranding (unless rebranding generates a bigger social following who then helps you communicate that).
workstation [2:20 AM] You've continued on a great coin James and no doubt Vertcoin has great features vs other coins, however without widespread use and adoption, Vertcoin might just become another coin without much use. The marketing side is sometimes even more important than the development side. Just need to look at history for that. E.g. Early version of Windows was buggy, bluescreen of death plagued it. But with heaps of $$ and marketing, Windows is pretty rock solid these days.
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jamesl22 [2:22 AM] Yes, agreed to both statements
[2:22] We're working on it, but it takes time and money
[2:23] But really, adoption is pointless until point of sale works properly
[2:23] When you can get it into people's physical wallets, or phone and they can spend it in a store, that's when it takes off (edited)
[2:23] Walmart, Target, all the big retailers hate Visa and Mastercard
workstation [2:24 AM] Thats a long way off... Even Apple and Samsung are struggling in that area
jamesl22 [2:24 AM] They would love a solution that opted them out of having to pay their fees
beerfinger [2:25 AM] @workstation To play devil's advocate for one sec, most successful people in the world don't achieve success because they tried to achieve success. Success is merely a byproduct of their passion. I do believe that James' commitment to the ideology can be sufficient. But it is true that the branding should communicate his vision. That is a constant conversation, too.
workstation [2:25 AM] yes, true
jamesl22 [2:26 AM] What we really need is talented content creators to make compelling media that explains the vision in a layman friendly way
[2:26] Thus far the message has been far too technical
[2:26] But in the past, the space was mostly populated by technical people so that is understandable
[2:26] It is only in the last 6 months that the general public has started to get involved
[2:27] Sadly "ASIC resistance" doesn't speak to them
beerfinger [2:27 AM] @james122 While it's true that universal adoption is key, you can say that about ANY coin. Even dogecoin would suddenly become a real coin if everyone up and decided to start using it one day. What's your strategy for making VTC that coin?
jamesl22 [2:27 AM] Whereas I think taking power from banks, chinese miners and giving it back to the people can be far more compelling
workstation [2:27 AM] We take Visa and Mastercard at our stores. We only do it because it boosts sales. People these days are all borrowing on credit because they don't have enough.... Paying on their CC# lets them buy things now (instant gratification) and slowly pay later. They managed to get banks on board because they make so much money on the interest. There is a clear reason why those cards satisfy a demand. We get charged about 1.5% by VISA/MC. To be honest, it's not a real deal breaker.
beerfinger [2:27 AM] haha, well, james you're talking to the right guy :slightly_smiling_face:
[2:28] My career is content creation
[2:28] I have nearly 20 years producing commercials and (lately) social content for global brands
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beerfinger [2:29 AM] I would be happy to consult and provide any assistance I can
[2:29] "taking power from banks, chinese miners and giving it back to the people can be far more compelling" - that's your modus operandi
[2:29] you can definitely tell that story in a compelling way
[2:30] Question: have any crypto's ever created any sort of ad before? Even just for social content? (sorry, I'm new to this space)
jamesl22 [2:30 AM] Well we'd obviously be grateful for your assistance
[2:31] I'd imagine so, though I don't follow many other coins' social media very much
goodminer [2:31 AM] @beerfinger lets chat :smile: We've been working on a lot of initiatives over the last few weeks
jamesl22 [2:31 AM] @workstation 1.5% to a huge retailer is a large sum of money though
workstation [2:35 AM] I don't see any coin being widely used to be honest. They fluctuate way too much. Say a typical consumer whose after tax salary is $1000/week.. He buys groceries at the store for $1/Liter. This is simple maths for him, he knows it's going to cost $1 each week, inflation may make it rise to $1.10 next year, but he understands that. With coins, the price of his milk is too hard to calculate.
[2:37] Why would Bob switch to using coins, when Visa/MC give him so much more? He doesnt pay the processing fee (1.5%), he gets free credit (these days, banks will easily approve 10k credits). Why would he switch to Vertcoin?
jamesl22 [2:37 AM] @workstation, volatility is high because market volume is low
[2:38] I think it will take another financial crisis or two though before people start to abandon fractional reserve banking (edited)
workstation [2:42 AM] As long as bob gets his paycheck, he's not going to care what happens at the fed
jamesl22 [2:43 AM] Bob ain't gunna get his paycheck one day though
[2:44] Because the credit ponzi scheme economy will have collapsed
workstation [2:48 AM] yes, the fed can print whatever it wants out of thin air... But its backed by US tax payers to the tune of 2+ trillion/year with most banks adhering to loan capital requirements. E.g. they need a certain amount of money deposited before they can loan more money out. What is Bitcoin/alt coins backed by? Seems like its somewhat of a ponzi scheme now, with everyone piling in thinking it will go up forever. I get that BTC is backed by real energy usage/capital requirements to mine it (asic equipment, datacenters, etc), so its more "real" than $1 USD, but they both service a purpose.
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workstation [2:51 AM] but whats the end goal because it seems they all become ponzi schemes. The only true coin will be one that will not allow any fiats be converted to to coin.
[2:51] the only way to earn a coin, would be to mine it, wouldn't you think that that would be the truest coin?
[2:52] right now people are just moving wads of fiat money into coins/alt coins, thereby skewing everything.
beerfinger [2:54 AM] just jumping in here with one last comment before I go to sleep: money, whether we're talking salt, precious metals, fiat currency, or cryptos, is just something that we all agree to prescribe a value to. That being the case, how are you going to stop someone from trading that value for something they want? If someone wants to trade their cryptos for chickens, a latte, USD or anything else, they're going to do it. No point in trying to regulate what people spend their money on or how they do it. Seems the antithesis of the whole decentralization thing anyway
workstation [2:57 AM] true
aegisker [3:02 AM] I belive when crypto matures, has fast and easy payments solutions, volume will rise and price will be more stable. Current price is speculation due to news and new development. I dont belive that after 10 years we will be seeing such swings.
beerfinger [3:04 AM] sorry keep thinking of new stuff... @jamesl22 your point about POS is salient. What's your perspective on coins like TenX that try to address that with payment platforms and cards?
[3:05] is that what you mean? nuts & bolts, how would Vertcoin become a POS option?
aegisker [3:06 AM] How is usdt keeping its price around usd?
beerfinger [3:07 AM] don't they just keep up with USD inflation by making sure there's an equal amount of tokens to USD in the market at any given point?
jamesl22 [3:07 AM] Integration of LN and AS is key
[3:07] Then providing some hardware or software solution to integrate with payment processors
[3:07] I haven't looked at tenx
beerfinger [3:07 AM] so Vertcoin IS actively pursuing this then
[3:08] interesting
[3:09] perhaps there's some way to leverage things like ApplePay
jamesl22 [3:09 AM] I doubt it
[3:09] ApplePay's design is fundamentally different
beerfinger [3:09 AM] I mean it doesn't have to be ApplePay itself. Can be a separate app
lucky [3:09 AM] Having bitcoin or altcoins tied to your debit card isn't unbelievable
jamesl22 [3:10 AM] Of course not
[3:10] But it is suboptimal
beerfinger [3:10 AM] yeah sort of kills the whole decentralization thing
lucky [3:10 AM] in fact if we are going the whole hog and saying fiat collapsed. You'd be silly to think the banks would standby and let crypto take over without them
beerfinger [3:10 AM] now we're relying on banks again
lucky [3:11 AM] At the first sign of crypto succeeding fiat. Banks will take over
[3:11] Because they can trade their fiat to coin
[3:11] Government too
aegisker [3:12 AM] Well, banks issues debt, whole market is built around debt. Crypto would take that away
[3:12] This will be hardest transition
jamesl22 [3:12 AM] If the crypto market ever gets to say $1tril, the banks will use their lobbyist army to squash it as best they can
lucky [3:13 AM] Is it not possible crypto gets immediately regulated into the banking system as soon as it passed fiat in some way
jamesl22 [3:13 AM] They don't care right now because the space is tiny compared to their own equity
lucky [3:13 AM] Yes exactly James
beerfinger [3:13 AM] i like the idea of leveraging NFC tech as a way to introduce crypto to POS purchases... everyone already has a smart phone so no need to reinvent the wheel... it's basically just an app
lucky [3:13 AM] If finance is going to change politics needs to too
[3:14] Nfc seems like the way. Yeag
[3:14] Lots of the android wallets leverage it
aegisker [3:14 AM] No need for nfc, nfc was kinda overhyped. Qr codes can work equally good
jamesl22 [3:14 AM] @beerfinger I think LN will allow us to achieve that
lucky [3:14 AM] Lol qr
[3:14] Who has ever scanned a qr....
jamesl22 [3:14 AM] We just need a hardware implementation for the reader
beerfinger [3:14 AM] sorry james, what's LN?
lucky [3:14 AM] Apple made sure qr never worked
jamesl22 [3:14 AM] Lightning Network
beerfinger [3:14 AM] ah
aegisker [3:15 AM] If u use your phone, why complicate with nfc, is there a security benefit?
beerfinger [3:15 AM] the infrastructure is there... most readers i come across these days are already NFC compliant
jamesl22 [3:15 AM] QR can work, but requires a high res display in the POS device
[3:15] Which would increase costs
[3:15] NFC is cheap af
lucky [3:16 AM] Yep. Qr is extremely requirement heavy
aegisker [3:16 AM] For example, pub: you get check with qr. U pay with your phone. Waiter sees on his computer that its payed.
lucky [3:16 AM] Look at Asia and south America
[3:16] Nobody can read qr
aegisker [3:17 AM] I europe all checks already have qrs for tax checking
lucky [3:17 AM] I work in global marketing. Qr is completely unadopted in the real world
[3:17] Yes in no public scenario qr is used
aegisker [3:17 AM] Where you from?
lucky [3:17 AM] Uk
[3:19] A decade in marketing I can tell you for sure Joe public doesn't scan qr codes
[3:19] James is right. We need an alternative hardware solution
[3:19] And I think I unique piece of tech in public would drive massive interest
aegisker [3:20 AM] In slovenia, croatia, austria(i tjink) there is law that all transactions in coffeeshops or shops(everything with fiat transaction) is sent to tax authority as soon as check is printed. U get qr code on your check, so you can check if tax s paid for your service. This is to prevent black markets and unauthorized sellers. Works pretty well. If you frequently scan qrs you can get some bonuses..
[3:21] Public got used to this pretty fast.
lucky [3:21 AM] So there's an incentive
aegisker [3:21 AM] So also you could print qr shop wallet addr.
lucky [3:21 AM] Kind of skews the ease of adoption stat we are looking for
aegisker [3:22 AM] Costz nothing
lucky [3:22 AM] Costs a smartphone with a quick camera
[3:22] How about in a dark club
beerfinger [3:23 AM] I came tonight with many questions about Vertcoin. Namely the incentives of the Devs and how it differentiated itself in the marketplace. All of those questions have been answered as best as I could have hoped. The only thing left is figuring out a way to tell that story. @jamesl22, all of the things you've said tonight are reassuring and exciting. They provide great promise for the future of this coin and even more - your goals, if realized, are truly category shifting. This is such a compelling story. TELL IT!
lucky [3:23 AM] Asking every transaction to require an in focus photo capability is insane, imo
aegisker [3:23 AM] uploaded and commented on this image: IMG_20170908_092307.jpg 1 Comment Thats how it looks
lucky [3:23 AM] We need something similar to a contactless debit card
[3:24] Good luck scanning that in the dark with a £100 smartphone. Though.
aegisker [3:24 AM] For starters this is easiest solution for early adoption (edited)
workstation [3:25 AM] why not something short like vCoin. Then u could make it go off V=Vendetta, sort of has a nice mystery, anti establishment
aegisker [3:25 AM] You just need plugin for your pos software that checks your crypto wallet for received funds
[3:26] Imo this is easiest way to implement first public purchases of beer or coffee
beerfinger [3:26 AM] by the way, less is more when it comes to branding
[3:26] look at apple
[3:26] i love this example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k YouTube Brant Walsh Microsoft Re-Designs the iPod Packaging
[3:31] and there's always something to be said for ad wars... apple's david vs goliath attack ads vs microsoft is what put them back on the map
[3:31] that could be a great angle for Vertcoin... go after Bitcoin
[3:31] make fun of it the way Jobs poked at Gates
[3:32] that's just my 2 Vertcoins
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Contacting the bitcoin foundation on MtGOX withdrawal issues

Hi Guys,
I am too affected by this issue, as most of you in this sub. I've send an email to the bitcoin foundation to clarify whats going on:
Hello,
I would like to get your thoughts on the current MtGOX withdrawal issues. They are occurring, when trying to withdraw BTC from a MtGOX account. Delays of 1-2 weeks shouldn't be tolerated by the members of the Bitcoin foundation for a company, which CEO is a member of it. I would like to ask you to publish a public statement on this issue. Otherwise the Bitcoin foundation members actually support these practices, which can have a negative effect on the image of companies grouped in it.
Numerous users are experiencing these issues and the story is already cover by few media outlets:
http://www.vocativ.com/02-2014/people-cant-convert-bitcoin-cash-theyre-pissed/ http://www.coindesk.com/poll-mt-gox-withdrawal-issues/ http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cryptocurrency-news-round-vertcoin-surge-continues-mt-gox-frustration-builds-1435175
Some forum threads:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=324918.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431117.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=429769.0
Regards, [signature]
I've sent it to their general email address: [email protected]
Anyone is welcome to re-send/modify the message according to their needs.
EDIT: There is also a forum thread dedicated to this issue on their forum, so anyone who is a member can submit a message there: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/700-mtgox-insolvency/
EDIT2: Twitter account of the CEO of MtGOX and his linkedin profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/karpeles https://twitter.com/MagicalTux, chairman of the foundation board: https://twitter.com/vessenes, http://www.linkedin.com/in/vessenes
EDIT3: as hildenborg mentioned (http://i.imgur.com/fc4Iy69.png): MtGox hot wallet is empty: http://coinsight.org/mtgox.html So withdrawals are now failing instantly, they don't even get a TX.
EDIT4: I want to say thank you guys for the discussion and for the sent out emails. I know that the foundation isn't any official authority as some of you pointed out, but I would like to see some consequences for their behavior to their customers. So if you haven't send an email yet, please consider doing so.
submitted by jokob to Bitcoin [link] [comments]

Consider this:

Imagine BTC is like gold, Litecoin is like silver and Vertcoin is like cash, and that a wallet with atomic operations between the three exists:
Your BTC is kept on a trezor wallet with safety words written on paper. Your LTC is stored behind a pin number on your computer, and the VTC is on your device/handheld for ease of access.
You decide to go online, to a video site or a market, but instead of using paypal to twitchsub/donate/buy, you use coins, but which one? You just happen to be all out of VTC on your phone, and you dont have LTC on your computer either, so you go to your "gold deposit"; BTC and use the trezor confirmation to put 150 bucks worth of LTC on your computer, a weeks budget. The atomic wallet makes it easy, and its like free too. You then take your LTC and convert a little to VTC. Say 20 bucks so you can go spend some, nothing too fancy. You still have like 130 bucks in LTC on your computer, but you dont plan to spend that much. 20 bucks fits your short term budget very well, so you leave it at that.
You go spend some VTC. You buy a skin in a game you like, and you donate some to your favorite streamer. Even BBC gets .25vert, since you really like the new nature documentary on their youtube channel. The payment is effortless. Technology has grown to allow segwit + lightning to work seamlessly and paying is easy. No middlemen involved and no strings attached. Just like you would tip a street musician or use money irl.
The streamer you tipped looks at his VTC account. "Sweet, +3.5vert" he thinks, donations he got from people watching his lets play. Losing .8 vert to taxes blows, but its part of the arrangement he has with the site. He takes his VTC, goes to his wallet, tops off his LTC account to the amount he think he should have as backup, and swaps the rest onto his trezor wallet. He just made bank, no accountants involved, no transaction fee necessary.
How fitting isnt it that: The BTC icon is gold/yellow, the LTC icon is silvewhite and the VTC icon is cash/green in a world like that anyway?
I wonder if this could be the future of money. Just like how reddit has changed journalism, and streaming/youtube is changing hollywood/television, will coins modernize the system of currency exchanging, and allow easy flow of wealth online? Shouldnt currency allow easy exchange of wealth online?
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Pissed off about ShapeShift (rant)

Last night I tried to convert $120 worth of btc for VTC (vertcoin) I sent the btc then 4 minutes before the timer went out. Then the timer ran out without seeing that I sent it. At that point I just assumed I would get a refund. Then 2 hours the refund came. They sent me back $92 worth of bitcoin........ How is that fair. %25 in miner fees? Could someone explain?
submitted by Iownaswitch to shapeshiftio [link] [comments]

Why dogecoin needs atomic swaps

atomic swaps - cuts out exchanges. For example, if you go into a shop (in the future - hopefully near), and you have only say Litecoin and the cashier says we only accept vertcoin, bitcoin, etherium etc. No problem, with the new wallet you can use a convert option to convert to a coin of your choice and pay for the goods. You don't need to use an exchange to sell your coin and then buy the other coin, hence no fee and obviously a more or less instant transaction. It's actually quite a significant implementation. A few tests of this were done over the last couple of days using vertcoin, Lightcoin, DCR - they both passed with instant results. This is only the beginning :)
submitted by virgojeep to dogecoin [link] [comments]

test

valid calls
//Functions-------------------//
+dogetoolbot SYMBOL value
+dogetoolbot AMOUNT SYMBOL value
+dogetoolbot SYMBOL volume
+dogetoolbot SYMBOL cap
+dogetoolbot convert AMOUNT SYMBOL to SYMBOL
+dogetoolbot spend AMOUNT CURRENCY(usd,eur,cad,cny,rub,btc) on SYMBOL
//Symbols----------------------------//
please try to break it
Update the tool bot no longer responds to garbage :) do it right or be ignored :)
submitted by MasterWillScarlet to dogetoolbot [link] [comments]

My first web scraper ! And my first, but not last, errors...

Hello ! I'm new in Python and I've try to make a web scapper for the fun (and to see my billions grow ! Hum...) The "scraping part" run very well... except to import a price in EURO. With price = node.xpath('//a[@class="price"]/text()') I search the price in $8035.40. It's work but I want EURO, not USD. So I try to scrap coinmarketcap.com/#EUR and I have €6850.96 my price in EURO. But in my csv I have 8035.40 € in place of $ 8035.40, and not 6850.96 €... So I convert USD with a fix value of EURO.
I made 4 graphs (because I can !). I have some difficulties with the time which is an index of dataframe. For the first graph, a simple plot graph on one column, it's work fine. But with the multiview subplot it's a mess ! The autofmt_xdate don't seem working and I don't understand why.
My ugly code :
from lxml import html import requests import pandas as pd from os import getcwd, path import os.path import matplotlib.pyplot as plt import matplotlib import matplotlib.dates as mdates import datetime as dt wd = getcwd() euro = 0.847151 # Convert USD in EURO # Quantity of assets dict_crypto={'Bitcoin':0.01427131, 'Ethereum':0.03852054, 'Bitcoin Cash':0.00454, 'Litecoin':0.202177, 'Dash':0.05, 'Monero':0.2, 'OmiseGO':8.9544299, 'SALT':20.336015, 'Vertcoin':33.7500198, 'Dogecoin':400, 'IOTA':0.007} page = requests.get('https://coinmarketcap.com/') tree = html.fromstring(page.content) #This will create a list of crypto: crypto = tree.xpath('//tbody') result_list = [] for node in crypto : i=len(node) for j in range(0,i): alt_node = node.xpath('//a[@class="currency-name-container"]/text()') price = node.xpath('//a[@class="price"]/text()') if (alt_node and price) : result_list.append([alt_node[j].strip(), price[j].strip()]) temps = pd.to_datetime('now') df = pd.DataFrame(result_list, columns=["Alt", "Price"]) df = df[df['Alt'].isin(dict_crypto.keys())] df = df.assign(Time = temps) df = df.pivot(index = 'Time', columns = 'Alt', values = 'Price') df = df[df.columns[0:]].replace('[\$]', '', regex=True).astype(float) for a, p in dict_crypto.items(): df[a][0] = (df[a][0]) * p * euro # Calcul of assets total value (in USD and EURO) total = 0 for a in dict_crypto.keys(): total = total + df[a][0] df = df.assign(Total = total) df = df.assign(Total_Euro = (total * euro)) # Save in csv if path.exists("crypto.csv"): df.to_csv("crypto.csv", index = True, header = False, mode = 'a') else: df.to_csv("crypto.csv", index = True, header = True, mode = 'a') # Visualisation df = pd.read_csv(path.join(wd, "crypto.csv"), parse_dates=True, index_col = 'Time') # First graph with total value / time df.ix[:].plot(y='Total_Euro') plt.gca().xaxis.set_major_formatter(mdates.DateFormatter('%d-%b-%y')) plt.gcf().autofmt_xdate() # Second graph with alts / current value exclude = ['Total', 'Total_Euro'] ax = df.ix[:, df.columns.difference(exclude)].tail(1).plot(kind='bar') ax.axis('off') # Put a legend to the right of the current axis box = ax.get_position() ax.set_position([box.x0, box.y0, box.width * 0.8, box.height]) ax.legend(loc='center left', bbox_to_anchor=(1, 0.5)) for p in ax.patches: ax.annotate("%.2f" % p.get_height(), (p.get_x() + p.get_width() / 2., p.get_height()), ha='center', va='center', rotation=90, xytext=(0, 20), textcoords='offset points') # Third graph with boxplot #exclude = ['Total', 'Total_Euro'] ax = df.ix[:, df.columns.difference(exclude)].plot(kind='box', showfliers=True) # Fourth graph with multiview of assets / time ax = df.ix[:, df.columns.difference(exclude)].plot(subplots=True, layout = (3, 4), figsize = (12,8)) plt.subplots_adjust(wspace=0.5, hspace=0.2) plt.gca().xaxis.set_major_formatter(mdates.DateFormatter('%b-%y')) plt.gcf().autofmt_xdate() plt.show() 
Sorry for my bad english and my bad python !
submitted by Pataclop to learnpython [link] [comments]

[uncensored-r/CryptoCurrency] I’ve finally accepted that I am a failure at crypto trading.

The following post by vanntasy is being replicated because some comments within the post(but not the post itself) have been openly removed.
The original post can be found(in censored form) at this link:
np.reddit.com/ CryptoCurrency/comments/7owfga
The original post's content was as follows:
It seems like the only time I know how to hold is when my coins are losing value, and the only time I can sell is when the coin is about to magically start pumping. I feel like I got into crypto in the worst way. I got lucky.
Back in October I had been holding a small amount of bitcoin that I bought around 5k usd when the whole China fiasco happened. At that point in time I was up about 35% in a few months. It was about that time that I began searching for a good altcoin to invest in.
I found vertcoin when it was about $1.
From what I read about vertcoin it seemed to be in a prime position for growth. When it reached about $1.50 I decided to jump aboard, because what the heck. My bitcoin wasn’t making near the gains that vertcoin was showing. So I decided to use shapeshift to convert all my bitcoin into vertcoin (I now know this was stupid but I got lucky.)
Not even an hour later Vertcoin began its run up to about $5, and I was on cloud 9. I was literally pacing around my room trying to figure out if I was dreaming or not. I began fantasizing about the end of my minimum wage job and being able to move out of my moms place, (im 25 so it’s a bit embarrassing).
This is the point where I became quite delusional.
I became absolutely obsessed with vertcoin, I was telling everyone I knew about it. I ordered Vertcoin business cards from vistaprint to hand out, I stopped almost all of my hobbies in favour of watching Vertcoin move on bittrex, and I relentlessly patrolled the Vertcoin reddit forums and twitter. I kept coming across posts about vertcoin being “a better litecoin” and how it should be valued in proportion to litecoin “soon”.
After vertcoin had peaked around $5, it spent the next while correcting and consolidating but at this point it I was already addicted to the rush of making money without doing anything. It wasn’t coming in fast enough. I noticed that litecoin was extremely stable in price around this time, and vertcoin kept losing value. So I figured: if I trade some vtc for ltc I could trade back for more vtc if it keeps falling, which seemed likely. Sure enough, it kept falling after I made the trade. I kept checking shapeshift to see how many coins I would profit, and as soon as it showed signs of dipping back down, I locked in my profits. I made about 30 vertcoins so easily! I felt like a trading god.
This is when I got cocky.
Every single day after that I was on shapeshift with my ledger nano s on my lap and 4-5 bittrex windows open at any given time. I made a few more decent trades, netting 5 vtc here, 7 vtc there. It seemed too good to be true.
It was.
Right around that time is when I discovered Komodo. It seemed to be a godsend to the crypto world with barterDEX being developed as a decentralized exchange with peer to peer atomic swaps, essentially cutting out the middleman (exchange fees). Even better: it was still cheaper than vertcoin.
I waited awhile until I saw Komodo moving up with some momentum, and I made the trade. ~125 vtc for ~250 kmd. This is when everything went sour. Komodo stopped its run for a consolidation phase, and vertcoin began to pump HARD. I felt the panic coursing through my veins, my palms began to sweat and shake, I could hardly enter my ledger PIN properly. I watched in horror as shapeshift continued to offer me less and less vertcoin than I had given them... I kept thinking don’t panic, it will come back... but it didn’t. I had to act now. I traded back at a loss. I was in disbelief. Almost all of the Vertcoin I had gained in my previous trades was gone. Weeks and weeks of studying charts and waiting games completely wasted. After giving myself shit, I vowed to only hold coins from then on.
This would not be the case.
At this point I still had my minimum wage job, and I was putting FULL paychecks into vertcoin bi-weekly (very fucking stupid). It didn’t take long, soon I had more money in crypto than I had in fiat... (never do this).
As an amateur trader, I completely neglected the fact that I was pushing my average buy-in up and up with each purchase. I thought the sky was the limit for vertcoin. People were making $20-$30 price predictions all over the internet, and key technical advancements were supposedly right around the corner. It just HAD to fly.
Now there was a point around $10 per vertcoin that I considered converting to bitcoin to sell back to fiat because I had never had this much money before, it just wasn’t in a very spendable form. I decided against it (A decision I would regret shortly after).
Vertcoin began to melt away in value, and I was so deluded that couldn’t understand why. I decided I would try the old shapeshift switcheroo again. I fucked up badly because I didn’t even do any form of analysis on the coin I traded to. I just knew vertcoin was going down and this other coin was going up.
Of course after the trade, it reversed. Vertcoin went back up, and the other started to fall. I lost 16% of my vertcoins that day because of panic and ignorance.
I would continue to make about 4 bad trades for every 1 good trade but I was still so irrational that I kept thinking: one of these times I’ll hit the jackpot on a trade and all of this will be worth it.
Well, as it were, my luck had run out.
I continued to lose money until I was right back where I started. With my initial investment.
Since then, I’ve been struggling with depression and learned helplessness, anger issues and I still feel the creeping urge to fire up the computer and make another trade. It feels like hell, but I know it is insanity. I have an amazing life full of people that love me and I have been utterly neglecting them for invisible coins.
I used to practice meditation and I lived my life in quite a zen-like state for years. Crypto destroyed this for me. I used to love programming in python, but I’ve been away from it so long that I’ve lost a lot of my skill. Every time I try to do some coding, I just end up watching crypto charts...
I’ve been getting back into meditation and picking up my old hobbies again but I’ve never felt the same since crypto has fucked with my head. I’m considering locking away my ledger for a few years but the thought of it seems like an impossibly difficult task.
I suppose the only silver lining to this story is that I haven’t actually lost any money, I just lost all my gains by trading foolishly.
This is my story and I hope you can learn something from it, thanks for reading.
submitted by censorship_notifier to noncensored_bitcoin [link] [comments]

updating a .gs to retrieve CoinMarketCap data following their transition to new API

Hi, I have been using the following simple .gs to pull CoinMarketCap prices but it is broken now with their migration to their new API. I believe the issue lies with "function getCoins()" but I'm not sure how to proceed given CoinMarketCap's guide here: https://coinmarketcap.com/api/documentation/v1/#section/Quick-Start-Guide
var queryString = Math.random();
var ss = SpreadsheetApp.getActiveSpreadsheet(); var ssRates = ss.getSheetByName('Rates'); if (ssRates === null) { ssRates = ss.insertSheet('Rates'); }
var targetCurrency = 'usd'
// Grabs all CoinMarketCap data if (typeof targetCurrency == 'undefined' || targetCurrency == '') {targetCurrency = 'usd'}; var coins = getCoins();
function getCryptoData() {
// Use the value in the 'id' field here: https://api.coinmarketcap.com/v1/ticke?limit=0 // If you're getting errors, you may be using the wrong 'id'
var myCoins = [ '0x', 'adelphoi', 'adx-net', 'aeternity', 'aion', 'aigang', 'airswap', 'appcoins', 'aeron', 'aragon', 'ardor', 'ark', 'aurora-dao', 'banyan-network', 'bitclave', 'bancor', 'basic-attention-token', 'binance-coin', 'bitcoin', 'bitcoin-cash', 'bitcoin-god', 'bitcoin-gold', 'bitcoin-interest', 'bitcoin-token', 'bitcoin-private', 'bitcoinx', 'bitcore', 'bitdegree', 'bitsend', 'bitshares', 'block-array', 'blockmason', 'bytecoin-bcn', 'c20', 'canyacoin', 'cardano', 'chatcoin', 'cheesecoin', 'cindicator', 'civic', 'cofound-it', 'counterparty', 'coss', 'cpchain', 'cybermiles', 'dash', 'datum', 'decred', 'digibyte', 'digixdao', 'district0x', 'dogecoin', 'dragonchain', 'edgeless', 'enjin-coin', 'eboostcoin', 'enjin-coin', 'eos', 'eosdac', 'ethereum-classic', 'ethereum', 'ethlend', 'everex', 'factom', 'filecoin', 'funfair', 'gas', 'gnosis-gno', 'golem-network-tokens', 'groestlcoin', 'guppy', 'havven', 'huobi-token', 'icon', 'iconomi', 'ignis', 'invictus-hyperion-fund', 'iostoken', 'iot-chain', 'iota', 'internet-of-people', 'ixledger', 'kucoin-shares', 'kyber-network', 'legolas-exchange', 'library-credit', 'litecoin', 'lightning-bitcoin', 'maker', 'medical-chain', 'mercury', 'metronome', 'monero', 'nano', 'neo', 'newton-coin-project', 'nexus', 'oax', 'omisego', 'omni', 'odyssey', 'origintrail', 'patientory', 'pivx', 'phore', 'polymath-network', 'power-ledger', 'qash', 'qtum', 'quantstamp', 'raiden-network-token', 'ravencoin', 'rchain', 'reddcoin', 'republic-protocol', 'rialto', 'ripio-credit-network', 'ripple', 'rise', 'rlc', 'salt', 'semux', 'siacoin', 'singulardtv', 'snovio', 'solaris', 'spreadcoin', 'steem', 'stellar', 'storj', 'stratis', 'streamr-datacoin', 'suncontract', 'syscoin', 'telcoin', 'tenx', 'tezos', 'theta-token', 'time-new-bank', 'tron', 'turtlecoin', 'ubiq', 'ultranote-coin', 'vechain', 'verge', 'veriumreserve', 'vertcoin', 'viacoin', 'vibe', 'viberate', 'vinchain', 'wabi', 'waves', 'wax', 'worldcore', 'zcash', 'zclassic', 'zcoin', 'zencash', ]
ssRates.getRange('A1').setValue("ID"); ssRates.getRange('B1').setValue("Symbol"); ssRates.getRange('C1').setValue("Price USD"); ssRates.getRange('D1').setValue("Price BTC");
var myCoinsObj = {}; var myCoinsCount = myCoins.length; for (var i = 0; i < myCoinsCount; i++) { var c = i+2; var n = 0; while (coins[n]['id'] !== myCoins[i]) { n++; }
myCoinsObj[coins[n]['id']] = coins[n]; ssRates.getRange('A'+(c).toString()).setValue(myCoinsObj[myCoins[i]]['id']); ssRates.getRange('B'+(c).toString()).setValue(myCoinsObj[myCoins[i]]['symbol']); ssRates.getRange('C'+(c).toString()).setValue(myCoinsObj[myCoins[i]]['price_usd']); ssRates.getRange('D'+(c).toString()).setValue(myCoinsObj[myCoins[i]]['price_btc']); 
}
// ================================= // // WALLET BALANCE CONFIGURATION // // =================================
// ===== Wallet Sheet Creator ======================================== // Uncomment the lines of code below // It will create the Wallets sheet for you // If using the Wallets sheet ALWAYS leave it uncommented // ===================================================================
//var ssWallets = activeSpreadsheet.getSheetByName('Wallets'); //if (ssWallets === null) {ssWallets = activeSpreadsheet.insertSheet('Wallets');}
// ===== BCH Wallet Balances ========================================= // Uncomment the lines of code below // Set the variable by pasting your Address inside of the ("") // Change getRange('A1') and getRange('B1') to match the row you want // ===================================================================
//var bchWallet = getBchBalance("Your BCH Address"); //ssWallets.getRange('A1').setValue("BCH Wallet"); //ssWallets.getRange('B1').setValue(bchWallet);
// ===== BTC Wallet Balances ========================================= // Uncomment the lines of code below // Set the variable by pasting your Address inside of the ("") // Change getRange('A2') and getRange('B2') to match the row you want // ===================================================================
//var btcWallet = getBtcBalance("Your BTC Address"); //ssWallets.getRange('A2').setValue("BTC Wallet"); //ssWallets.getRange('B2').setValue(btcWallet);
// ===== Ethereum Wallet Balances ==================================== // Create an account on Etherscan.io // Create an API key at https://etherscan.io/myapikey // Uncomment the lines of code below // Set the API key variable by pasting your API key inside of the ("") // Set the address variable by pasting your Address inside of the ("") // Change getRange('A3') and getRange('B3') to match the row you want // ===================================================================
//var ethApiKey = "Your Etherscan API Key"; //var ethWallet = getEthBalance(ethApiKey,"Your ETH Address"); //ssWallets.getRange('A3').setValue("ETH Wallet"); //ssWallets.getRange('B3').setValue(ethWallet);
// ===== DGB wallet balances ========================================= // Uncomment the lines of code below // Set the variable by pasting your Address inside of the ("") // Change getRange('A4') and getRange('B4') to match the row you want // ===================================================================
//var dgbWallet = getDgbBalance("Your DGB Address"); //ssWallets.getRange('A4').setValue("DGB Wallet"); //ssWallets.getRange('B4').setValue(dgbWallet);
// ===== LTC wallet balances ========================================= // Uncomment the lines of code below // Set the variable by pasting your Address inside of the ("") // Change getRange('A5') and getRange('B5') to match the row you want // ===================================================================
//var ltcWallet = getLtcBalance("Your LTC Address"); //ssWallets.getRange('A5').setValue("LTC Wallet"); //ssWallets.getRange('B5').setValue(ltcWallet);
// ===== VTC wallet balances ========================================= // Uncomment the lines of code below // Set the variable by pasting your Address inside of the ("") // Change getRange('A5') and getRange('B5') to match the row you want // ===================================================================
//var vtcWallet = getVtcBalance("Your VTC Address"); //ssWallets.getRange('A6').setValue("VTC Wallet"); //ssWallets.getRange('B6').setValue(vtcWallet); }
function onOpen() { var ss = SpreadsheetApp.getActiveSpreadsheet(); var menubuttons = [ {name: "clearRates", functionName: "clearRates"},{name: "getCryptoData", functionName: "getCryptoData"}]; ss.addMenu("crypto", menubuttons); }
function clearRates() { var sheet = SpreadsheetApp.getActive().getSheetByName('Rates'); sheet.getRange('A1:D1000').clearContent(); }
function getCoins() {
var url = 'https://api.coinmarketcap.com/v1/ticke?limit=0&convert='+targetCurrency; var response = UrlFetchApp.fetch(url, {'muteHttpExceptions': true}); var json = response.getContentText(); var data = JSON.parse(json);
return data; }
function getBchBalance(bchAddress) {
var url = 'https://bitcoincash.blockexplorer.com/api/add'+bchAddress+'/balance'; var response = UrlFetchApp.fetch(url, {'muteHttpExceptions': true}); var balance = response.getContentText(); //Pause to not trigger API limit for multiple wallets Utilities.sleep(300);
return balance * Math.pow(10,-8); }
function getBtcBalance(btcAddress) {
var url = 'https://blockexplorer.com/api/add'+btcAddress+'/balance'; var response = UrlFetchApp.fetch(url, {'muteHttpExceptions': true}); var balance = response.getContentText(); //Pause to not trigger API limit for multiple wallets Utilities.sleep(300);
return balance * Math.pow(10,-8); }
function getEthBalance(ethApiKey,ethAddress) {
var url = 'https://api.etherscan.io/api?module=account&action=balance&address='+ethAddress+'&tag=latest&apikey='+ethApiKey; var response = UrlFetchApp.fetch(url, {'muteHttpExceptions': true}); var json = response.getContentText(); var obj = JSON.parse(json); var balance = obj.result; //Pause to not trigger API limit for multiple wallets Utilities.sleep(300);
return balance * Math.pow(10,-18); }
function getDgbBalance(dgbAddress) {
var url = 'https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dgb/api.dws?q=getbalance&a='+dgbAddress; var response = UrlFetchApp.fetch(url, {'muteHttpExceptions': true}); var balance = response.getContentText(); //Pause to not trigger API limit for multiple wallets Utilities.sleep(300);
return balance; }
function getLtcBalance(ltcAddress) {
var url = 'https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ltc/api.dws?q=getbalance&a='+ltcAddress; var response = UrlFetchApp.fetch(url, {'muteHttpExceptions': true}); var balance = response.getContentText(); //Pause to not trigger API limit for multiple wallets Utilities.sleep(300);
return balance; }
function getVtcBalance(vtcAddress) {
var url = 'http://explorer.vertcoin.info/ext/getbalance/'+vtcAddress; var response = UrlFetchApp.fetch(url, {'muteHttpExceptions': true}); var balance = response.getContentText(); //Pause to not trigger API limit for multiple wallets Utilities.sleep(300);
return balance; }
// USE AT YOUR OWN RISK function getRate(currencyId) {
if (typeof targetCurrency !== 'undefined') {conversionRate = 'usd'};
var url = 'https://api.coinmarketcap.com/v1/ticke' + currencyId + '/?convert=' + targetCurrency; var response = UrlFetchApp.fetch(url, {'muteHttpExceptions': true}); var json = response.getContentText(); var data = JSON.parse(json); var obj = parseFloat(data[0]['price_' + targetCurrency]);
return obj; }
function getWebRate(currencyId) { //Example Output: // '=IMPORTXML("https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/zeeyx?3908288283","//span[@id=\'quote_price\']")';
var coinScrape1 = '=IMPORTXML("https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/'; var coinScrape2 = '","//span[@id=\'quote_price\']")';
return coinScrape1 + currencyId + '?' + queryString + coinScrape2; }
function getCurrencyConversion(currencyOne, currencyTwo) {
var url = 'https://api.fixer.io/latest?symbols='+currencyOne.toUpperCase()+','+currencyTwo.toUpperCase(); var response = UrlFetchApp.fetch(url, {'muteHttpExceptions': true}); var json = response.getContentText(); var data = JSON.parse(json);
return parseFloat(data['rates'][currencyTwo]); }
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What are some low risk investments I can easily buy and sell with crypto?

I got into crypto to stay safe in case of a dollar collapse, but some people in a recent thread have been saying that crypto can be quite risky, and in the event of a temporary crypto collapse, I would still like to have some money to both be safe and to buy more crypto with. However, I do not want this to be in the form of the dollar because I don't want to wait for weeks (my bank kept denying my payment because it was international) and pay ~25% fees (the best deal I have found for minors) to convert it back into my base currency (Bitcoin/Litecoin/Vertcoin). I also don't want to have too large of an amount in gold which I physically hold, as the logistics would also be pretty hard to deal with, although it could work as a last resort nest egg once I get enough money (a fraction of my current tiny amount wouldn't be much at all). Additionally, if the gold is held in a vault, it definitelly can't be a fractional reserve and I must be able to access the physical gold at any time. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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